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  • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
    Morality can only lack a justification if you're evil and self-serving.... if you're a good person then you care about the welfare of others...
    What a crock of ****! That's an absurdity.
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    • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
      What a crock of ****! That's an absurdity.
      Yes, I know being concerned for others is absurd... who has time for that when they have a vain dream of eternal life to pursue...

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      • I think what he means to say is that saying that morality only lacks justification if you aren't already moral is more than a little absurd.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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        • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
          Yes, I know being concerned for others is absurd... who has time for that when they have a vain dream of eternal life to pursue...
          You're one of the proudest people I've ever run into. Seriously? You think this highly of yourself?

          You're just deceiving yourself. If you want to be truly concerned for others then you need to become humble. You need to believe that Jesus humbled himself, he came to earth as a man to share in our suffering (he himself was without sin). Then you can truly believe that every human being is lovable.
          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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          • Or maybe I was wrong and he meant something different?
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
              You're one of the proudest people I've ever run into. Seriously? You think this highly of yourself?

              You're just deceiving yourself. If you want to be truly concerned for others then you need to become humble. You need to believe that Jesus humbled himself, he came to earth as a man to share in our suffering (he himself was without sin). Then you can truly believe that every human being is lovable.
              Congrats, you came up with something more absurd than a tautology... also, feel free to expose the arrogance of thinking morality involves helping other people. That should be an interesting argument.

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              • The fact that Stalin was an atheist isn't what made him evil. The fact that he butchered and starved millions of people made him evil. He didn't do that because he was atheist.
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                • He did it because mustaches are inherently evil. Everyone knows that
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                    He did it because mustaches are inherently evil. Everyone knows that
                    QFT
                    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                    • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                      The fact that Stalin was an atheist isn't what made him evil. The fact that he butchered and starved millions of people made him evil. He didn't do that because he was atheist.
                      Oh no, the problem was that he didn't believe in Jesus. Atheists need to take a lesson from the Christians who run the Mexican drug cartels.

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                      • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                        What is your non-tautological reason?
                        For moral behavior? Because it draws me closer to God, and is therefore in my own best interests. It may sound like an absurd reason to you, but the way I see it, an absurd reason is better than no reason at all. And A-because-A is, in effect, no reason at all. Of course, you can say that it's absurd to believe in God as well. I just happened to pick a different absurdity than you did, is all.

                        I think I need to say "absurd" some more. Absurd absurd absurd.
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                        • Stalin received his education at a Christian seminary though.
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                          • But he was expelled
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • And then spent decades persecuting Christians, except during war when he needed them for propaganda purposes
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                              • elok, so your reason for moral behaviour is because it draws you closer to God? is that the only reason?
                                "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

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