It's time for another Ask Asher thread

[giblets]

Everyone wants their views imposed on other people. Christians say, do not murder, do not steal, do not lie, or be punished for it. Hence why we have laws barring the government from doing these things.

If you were honest, you'd believe that we should impose certain values on other people too. So quit hiding behind the smokescreen.

I don't think people have the right to violate the law and trespass in abortion clinics if they think God is telling them to.

An option I've considered.

I like the US. I like what she stands for, and the freedom that she defends. I like the first amendment. So, while the tradeoff is not living under the Queen's domain, the benefit is in the freedom to express myself which we do not possess here.

Huh? No one is stopping you from expressing your views in Canada.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why is it called 'witnessing'?

That's what it is. You are witnessing to people the truth about abortion. That abortion kills an unborn child.

[Al B. Sure!]

witnessing? But to witness something means to see it occur. You're the one who witnesses something. How can you witness to other people?

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't think people have the right to violate the law and trespass in abortion clinics if they think God is telling them to.

I think if their money is funding the clinics and if the clinics are publicly owned, then they have access to the building.

Huh? No one is stopping you from expressing your views in Canada.

The bubble zone law, as worded, means people can be arrested just for standing on the wrong side of the street.

http://www.vancouversun.com/Abortion+Vancouver+case+results+bubble+zone+protection+clinics/1713461/story.html

The Supreme Court ofCanada decision confirms a unanimous ruling by the B.C. Appeal Court which upheld the province’s so-called “bubble zone” law prohibiting demonstrators from protesting, or attempting to influence, anyone within 50 metres of abortion clinics.

[Ben Kenobi]

witnessing? But to witness something means to see it occur. You're the one who witnesses something. How can you witness to other people?

Through testifying, as you would in court. You are a witness to the truth.

[giblets]

That's what it is. You are witnessing to people the truth about abortion. That abortion kills an unborn child.

LOL. That's based on your religious belief that people have souls starting at conception.

[Asher]

I think if their money is funding the clinics and if the clinics are publicly owned, then they have access to the building.



The bubble zone law, as worded, means people can be arrested just for standing on the wrong side of the street.

http://www.vancouversun.com/Abortion...461/story.html

There are a variety of similar laws in the USA. Look at the federal Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, or various state acts specific to state that regulate behaviour around abortion clinics.

Fact of the matter is, crazy Christians have been harming people, property, and obstructing access to facilities and laws have been enacted to combat this. You are permitted to express your opinions, you just can't harass people with them and get in their way.

[giblets]

I think if their money is funding the clinics and if the clinics are publicly owned, then they have access to the building.

The bubble zone law, as worded, means people can be arrested just for standing on the wrong side of the street.

http://www.vancouversun.com/Abortion...461/story.html

They aren't exactly rounding up known anti-abortionists and sending them to concentration camps. You're free to advocate your cause and express your opinions. You just don't get to harass the women who choose to get abortions.

[Ben Kenobi]

That's based on your religious belief that people have souls starting at conception.

In-vitro fertlization anybody? Human life begins at conception. This is why we have men paying child support for the chldren that they conceive. We trace the identity of the child from the point of conception, in an unbroken path all the way to birth.

[Asher]

In-vitro fertlization anybody? Human life begins at conception. This is why we have men paying child support for the chldren that they conceive.

Stunning logic as always.

[giblets]

In-vitro fertlization anybody? Human life begins at conception. This is why we have men paying child support for the chldren that they conceive. We trace the identity of the child from the point of conception, in an unbroken path all the way to birth.

A zygote is alive, but in the same way a plant or bacteria is alive. It doesn't have intelligence, awareness, emotions, the ability to feel pain, free will, etc.

[Ben Kenobi]

They aren't exactly rounding up known anti-abortionists and sending them to concentration camps.

So? I'm being arrested for expression of my opinion. This is a hallmark of totalitarian regimes like Canada.

You're free to advocate your cause and express your opinions. You just don't get to harass the women who choose to get abortions.

So the expression of opinions is bad when it is contrary to what people believe? Horsehockey. There's no freedom from being offended.

[Asher]

So? I'm being arrested for expression of my opinion.

No, you are being arrested for being in a forbidden area. Your opinion is irrelevant.

If Christians had not abused their right to demonstrate, those laws would not exist. Christians such as yourself have shown they've no concept of fairness or self-regulation.

[Ben Kenobi]

A zygote is alive, but in the same way a plant or bacteria is alive. It doesn't have intelligence, awareness, emotions, the ability to feel pain, free will, etc.

The law doesn't care about this wrt to child support. Go ahead, make the argument that the child you conceived is not a person, therefore you aren't responsible for her upkeep.

Human mother, human father, human child.

[Asher]

The law doesn't care about this wrt to child support. Go ahead, make the argument that the child you conceived is not a person, therefore you aren't responsible for her upkeep.

Human mother, human father, human child.

Most sensible people do not consider the cost of monetary responsibility to be the barometer for when life begins.

A pregnant woman deserves child support even when the baby isn't sentient yet, because her costs have increased.