It's time for another Ask Asher thread

[giblets]

The law doesn't care about this wrt to child support. Go ahead, make the argument that the child you conceived is not a person, therefore you aren't responsible for her upkeep.

Human mother, human father, human child.

I'm pretty sure child support begins at birth.

[Ben Kenobi]

No, you are being arrested for being in a forbidden area.

I'm allowed to walk on the path in front of the clinic. I'm not allowed to protest which is a violation of freedom of expression. The law explicitly states protesting.

If Christians had not abused their right to demonstrate,

oh ho ho. How have they abused their right to demonstrate? Look at what a union does. They shut down campus by running red tape around the entrances. Why aren't they arrested?

Christians such as yourself have shown they've no concept of fairness or self-regulation.

Why then have only two protestors been arrested? All we have to do to get arrested is to cross the street. Clearly we are capable of demonstrating peacefully. The restriction is based on one thing only, the content of our speech.

[Asher]

I'm allowed to walk on the path in front of the clinic. I'm not allowed to protest which is a violation of freedom of expression. The law explicitly states protesting.

But your views are not being discriminated against. You can still protest, just not to harass.

Pro-Choice demonstrations are also not permitted around clinics, last I checked...

oh ho ho. How have they abused their right to demonstrate?

Oh, this is a tough question. I'm going to start with firebombing and end with murder. That sufficient?

Why then have only two protestors been arrested?

So you admit this is a trivial issue not worthy of discussion?

[giblets]

So? I'm being arrested for expression of my opinion. This is a hallmark of totalitarian regimes like Canada.

So the expression of opinions is bad when it is contrary to what people believe? Horsehockey. There's no freedom from being offended.

No. People are arrested for trespassing, not being anti-abortion. People do have the right to not be harassed during a medical procedure.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm pretty sure child support begins at birth.

But how do they prove that the child is yours?

They use DNA. They link the act of you having sex with the woman, getting her pregnant, conceiving a child, with the subsequent birth of said child.

This is why human life, legally, begins at conception. If child support began sometime after birth, what's to stop the mother from naming whomever she wants as the father?

[Asher]

But how do they prove that the child is yours?

They use DNA. They link the act of you having sex with the woman, getting her pregnant, conceiving a child, with the subsequent birth of said child.

This is why human life, legally, begins at conception.

Oh, the wheels in your brain. They must not work.

[Ben Kenobi]

No. People are arrested for trespassing

If they were not wearing their signs and simply walked past the clinic, it would not be trespassing. These are public sidewalks.

People do have the right to not be harassed during a medical procedure.

So they perform abortions out on the street? Ewww.

[Asher]

If they were not wearing their signs and simply walked past the clinic, it would not be trespassing. These are public sidewalks.



So they perform abortions out on the street? Ewww.

Protests outside can be heard inside. That's why states like Maine explicitly have noise regulations surrounding abortion clinics. That's part of the reason for the bubble zone.

I don't see you shooting your wad about how anti-free speech the US is.

[Al B. Sure!]

But how do they prove that the child is yours?

They use DNA. They link the act of you having sex with the woman, getting her pregnant, conceiving a child, with the subsequent birth of said child.

This is why human life, legally, begins at conception. If child support began sometime after birth, what's to stop the mother from naming whomever she wants as the father?

Well you just explained the reasoning behind why child support starts at birth.

But then your last sentence (bolded) perplexes me.

[giblets]

But how do they prove that the child is yours?

They use DNA. They link the act of you having sex with the woman, getting her pregnant, conceiving a child, with the subsequent birth of said child.

This is why human life, legally, begins at conception. If child support began sometime after birth, what's to stop the mother from naming whomever she wants as the father?

If it, legally, began at conception then abortion wouldn't be legal.

Why do they use DNA? Because it's a great way to figure out which man is the father. That doesn't make a zygote a person, sorry.

Sperm has human DNA, are sperm cells people? Should masturbation be illegal? No and no.

[Ben Kenobi]

But your views are not being discriminated against. You can still protest, just not to harass.

They have specified that only pro life demonstrations are not permitted. Supporters of abortion are there all the time.

Oh, this is a tough question. I'm going to start with firebombing and end with murder. That sufficient?

When did Mary do either? Shouldn't we be releasing her from jail if we are a country that values freedom of expression?

So you admit this is a trivial issue not worthy of discussion?

I don't think the arrest of an innocent is trivial. Obviously you do. Why again, do they call me a fascist?

[Asher]

http://pleated-jeans.com/2010/05/20/15-awful-examples-of-christian-propagand/

[Asher]

They have specified that only pro life demonstrations are not permitted.

The laws I saw talk about "demonstrations", nothing specific to pro-life.

Cite or shut up.

I don't think the arrest of an innocent is trivial. Obviously you do. Why again, do they call me a fascist?

How is someone who broke the law, admittedly, innocent?

[Ben Kenobi]

Why do they use DNA? Because it's a great way to figure out which man is the father.

If the man is the father, based on his conception of the child, the identity of the child does not change during pregnancy. This is the point I'm trying to make clear.

If it, legally, began at conception then abortion wouldn't be legal.

If there is no connection between the unborn child and the born child, then child support is also impossible. Both of these statements are legally contradictory. If you were to be consistant, you would be saying that we cannot prove the identity of the father through DNA, because the child in the womb is not the same as the child outside of the womb.

Or you can say that abortion is contradictory, because wantedness shouldn't have anything to do with an intrinsic quality like personhood.

[Asher]

If the man is the father, based on his conception of the child, the identity of the child does not change during pregnancy. This is the point I'm trying to make clear.

The biological origins do not change, but this cannot in any reasonable way constitute life. No more than sperm itself.


Ben, you continue to be the driving reason I support abortion. Why do you continue?