Christianity ruins families.

[rah]

That's been obvious to everyone here for years, (except to himself, of course)

[Ben Kenobi]

9/11 had nothing to do with their religion.

9/11 was Jihad against the infidels, pure and simple.

There are corrupt catholics too. For instance , Hitler was a Catholic.

Wow, except that he wasn't and that he killed Catholic priests when he got to power. His family may have been Catholic at some point, but he repudiated all of it.

So you are saying all the AIDS cases in third world countries are all caused by gay men?

I'm saying that half the AIDS cases in the US are from gay men.

Thats funny since kids are born with it and, hmm, the men don't have the babies...This must mean women get it too, which means it occurs A LOT in straight couples. But of course, this is going to turn into something racial as soon as you read it and try to twist some ridiculous argument out of it.

How does this do anything to counter my argument that if you want to catch AIDS, the best vector to do so is through homosexuality?

[rah]

If you want to catch Sickle Cell Anemia, the best vector to do so is by becoming black.

[Al B. Sure!]

WTC, 9-11-2001. allahu akhbar

Jerusalem, 1099. Deus Vult!
Church of St. Mary Magdalene, 1209. Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius!

[giblets]

Even someone as stupid as George W. Bush knew better than to blame 9/11 on islam as a whole.

“Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance, Mr. Secretary General, and we respect the faith and we welcome people of all faiths in America, and we’re not going to let the war on terror or terrorists cause us to change our values.” -George Bush, speaking to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan

[Al B. Sure!]

Let's get real here and note the political motivations, rather than the purely religious motivations, of the Al Qaeda terrorists.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091101beforepinkpony

Hijackers Hamza Alghamdi and Marwan Alshehhi make two purchases of “pornographic video and sex toys” from a Florida store. They spend $252.17 on videos and toys at Video Outlet in Deerfield Beach on July 4, then return on July 27 and spend another $183.22. [FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, 10/2001, PP. 176, 178, 196, 198 ]

In the days before the attacks, some of the hijackers (including Waleed Alshehri and/or Wail Alshehri) apparently sleep with prostitutes in Boston hotel rooms, or at least try to do so. A driver working at an “escort service” used by the hijackers claims he regularly drove prostitutes to a relative of bin Laden about once a week until 9/11, when the relative disappeared. Bin Laden has several relatives in the Boston area, most or all of whom returned to Saudi Arabia right after 9/11. [BOSTON HERALD, 10/10/2001] On September 7, two female escorts are sent to “Arab men” in the Park Inn, Boston. One of the escorts will later say that a photo of Satam Al Suqami looks “very familiar.” [FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, 10/2001, PP. 264 ] On September 10, four other hijackers in Boston (Marwan Alshehhi, Fayez Ahmed Banihammad, Mohand Alshehri, and Satam Al Suqami) call around to find prostitutes to sleep with on their last night alive, but in the end decline. Says one official, “It was going to be really expensive and they couldn’t come to a consensus on price, so that was the end of it… Either they thought it was too extravagant [over $400] or they did not have enough money left.” [BOSTON GLOBE, 10/10/2001]

After returning to the US for the fifth time, 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah flies immediately to Jacksonville, Florida, where he stays at the Ramada Inn for a week. He had previously visited Jacksonville (see January 22-26, 2001), as had Mohamed Atta and Marwan Alshehhi (see (October 2000)). While in Jacksonville, he frequents Wacko’s strip club. A worker there will later say that the FBI comes to the club after 9/11 to ask questions and show pictures “of the 9/11 terrorists,” and a dancer recognizes Jarrah from a photo line-up. The information about the hotel stay will be discovered by First Coast News in summer 2004 and they will offer to share it with the FBI. The local office will originally agree to meet the reporters, but then cancel at the last minute, saying that the cancellation had been ordered by their superiors at the Justice Department due to a possible impact on the Zacarias Moussaoui trial. First Coast News will comment, “Questions still remain as to what Jarrah was doing in Jacksonville.” [FIRST COAST NEWS, 8/24/2004; US DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA, ALEXANDRIA DIVISION, 7/31/2006, PP. 5, 22 ]

Yes, these were really religious people

[Ben Kenobi]

Jerusalem, 1099. Deus Vult!
Church of St. Mary Magdalene, 1209. Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius!

Yarmouk, 629.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, these were really religious people

So you deny that Jihad is an essential teaching of Islam?

[Al B. Sure!]

Yarmouk, 629.

Que?

[Ben Kenobi]

islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance, Mr. Secretary General, and we respect the faith and we welcome people of all faiths in America, and we’re not going to let the war on terror or terrorists cause us to change our values.” -George Bush, speaking to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan

I once believed this, but as I have examined the situation more carefully, this isn't the case. Islam believes and is committed to Jihad. Look at Theo van Gogh. They are committed to the imposition of Sharia law.

Bush was wrong. 9-11 isn't an isolated case. It's merely the capstone.

[Ben Kenobi]

What slaughter of innocents occurred at Yarmouk in 629, Ben?

Any Christian in the Levant after who refused to pay the Jiziyah.

These were Christian lands, Albert. Muslims still persecute Christians there. It's never stopped.

The Crusaders weren't an offensive force, they were defensive. They fought to retake lands conquered by the Muslims.

How can one justify Jihad, and attack Crusaders for defending themselves and their fellow Christians?

[giblets]

I remember in the years following 9/11 there were Christians in America who advocated invading muslim countries and converting them to Christianity, nuking muslim countries, etc. I guess I should judge all Christians because of what a few extremists think.

[Al B. Sure!]

Any Christian in the Levant after who refused to pay the Jiziyah.

These were Christian lands, Albert. Muslims still persecute Christians there. It's never stopped.

Huh? Mohammad was still in Medina in 629. Yarmouk was controlled by Heraclitus at that point in history.

[Al B. Sure!]

So you deny that Jihad is an essential teaching of Islam?

Do truly religious people, of any faith, frequent strip clubs, sex toy stores, and prostitutes?

[giblets]

I once believed this, but as I have examined the situation more carefully, this isn't the case. Islam believes and is committed to Jihad. Look at Theo van Gogh. They are committed to the imposition of Sharia law.

Bush was wrong. 9-11 isn't an isolated case. It's merely the capstone.

Just like the catholic church is committed to raping little boys... oh wait, that's stupid.