I bring you...the awesomeness

[Asher]

Hmm.

All this is meaningless, Asher.

Is it a trait Asher? Or a choice, a decision, a path? That is the question at hand.

It's not a question that concerns you, it's not a question you can answer, and it's certainly not something some hateful Christian bigot like Whatcott legislate.

You are avoiding the point yet again, because your brain cannot handle it.

Criminalising Whatcott's speech for criticising homosexuality is wrong. You may agree or disagree with him, but you do not have the right to stop him from saying so.

You disingenuous ****ing sleazeball. I've not said a ****ing word about criminalizing his speech. I HAVE SPECIFICALLY CLARIFIED THIS ALREADY BECAUSE I ANTICIPATED YOU BEING THIS ****ING STUPID:

I've not expressed my position on the legality of Whatcott's speech at all. You once again are ****ing making up positions of other people. You are a ****ing douchebag liar.

What do you not understand about that?

Rightness, wrongness.

You believe that there is a universal truth and what is true for you is true for everyone?

When we are establishing the logical equivalence of arguments, yes, there is a universal truth. You are trying to squirm out of this.

I'm saying that a man who wants to imprison members of a group just for being members of that group is more similar to the antisemitism like we saw in Germany than investigating pedophile priests in molesting children.

You know that I am right, that this is a true statement. You are wrong, as always, but...as always...you lack the balls to admit it.

[Asher]

I daresay you are so wise as to know all about me Asher. What do you mean when you say, "mutually in love?" Do you mean Storge? Do you mean Agape?

Ben, everyone knows it. There are some people in this world that are wholly unattractive to everyone on the planet. That would be you.

The few friends you do have are friends out of pity or obligation only. Your only bet to find a mate would be to find a woman who pities you enough to sleep with you, but she will never love you. How could she?

Why do you care? If it's stupid you seem awfully bothered by it.

I'm at war with you and your ilk because you are trying to take rights from me.

Perhaps because one need not experience things in order to gain knowledge of them.

Any knowledge one gains without experience is untested and unproven.

You don't know what love is like from reading it in a textbook. You have no idea.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's not a question that concerns you, it's not a question you can answer,

Then why are you so aggravated when Whatcott argues that it is a choice and not a trait? If no one can answer the question, then Whatcott's opinion is just as valid as anyone elses. Why on earth is he getting charged with persecution?

When we are establishing the logical equivalence of arguments, yes, there is a universal truth. You are trying to squirm out of this.

So, you don't believe that there is a universal truth with regards to morality?

I'm saying that a man who wants to imprison members of a group just for being members of that group is more similar to the antisemitism like we saw in Germany than investigating pedophile priests in molesting children.

So this makes it right to arrest and charge him for him saying so. Is there a significant chance that Whatcott will actually imprison anyone?

[Asher]

Then why are you so aggravated when Whatcott argues that it is a choice and not a trait? If no one can answer the question, then Whatcott's opinion is just as valid as anyone elses. Why on earth is he getting charged with persecution?

He's not being CHARGED with persecution. I am describing his behaviour as persecution because he wants to imprison homosexuals for being homosexuals. That's pretty textbook.

So, you don't believe that there is a universal truth with regards to morality?

This is not the topic of the debate and it's something far more complex than you could handle to discuss.

So this makes it right to arrest and charge him for him saying so. Is there a significant chance that Whatcott will actually imprison anyone?

FOR THE THIRD ****ING TIME.

I HAVE NOT NOR HAVE I EVER IN MY ENTIRE ****ING LIFE EXPRESSED AN OPINION AS TO THE LEGALITY OF WHAT WHATCOTT IS SAYING.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Why the **** are you so stupid?

He is persecuting homosexuals by singling them out and trying to imprison them. This happens to be FAR more similar to what the Nazis did with the Jews than what the public and governments are doing to the catholic church by INVESTIGATIONS OF ALLEGATIONS OF CHILD MOLESTATION.

That is the ****ING ARGUMENT. It is INCREDIBLY SIMPLE. It is INCREDIBLY OBVIOUS. And it is STILL beyond your understanding.

[Ben Kenobi]

There are some people in this world that are wholly unattractive to everyone on the planet. That would be you.

I find it incredibly reassuring that you find me the most unattractive man on the planet.

The few friends you do have are friends out of pity or obligation only. Your only bet to find a mate would be to find a woman who pities you enough to sleep with you, but she will never love you. How could she?

How could she indeed? Obviously because it's 100 percent physical attraction and she gets addicted to orgasms. Yes, she will never love me, but the thrill is worth the sacrifice of true love for eternity. And she has nice tits, so I'm happy on my end.

I'm at war with you and your ilk because you are trying to take rights from me.

You are right. I have a special jail cell reserved for you Asher. It's actually quite nice. It even has an inmate who's been waiting for you for quite some time.

Any knowledge one gains without experience is untested and unproven.

This is true, but I don't need to touch a hot plate to know that it is hot. Observation alone is sufficient proof to gain testable knowledge.

You don't know what love is like from reading it in a textbook. You have no idea.

How do you know that your love is the same as anyone else's? Maybe yours tastes like rocky road and mine is mint sherbet.

[Ben Kenobi]

This is not the topic of the debate and it's something far more complex than you could handle to discuss.

Try me.

He is persecuting homosexuals by singling them out and trying to imprison them.

How is he trying to imprison them? Does he carry around a set of handcuffs and a warrent?

This happens to be FAR more similar to what the Nazis did with the Jews than what the public and governments are doing to the catholic church by INVESTIGATIONS OF ALLEGATIONS OF CHILD MOLESTATION.

Except that one is the state and the other is an individual, but yeah, there are a legion of Whatcott supporters with handcuffs around every public park and bathroom just waiting to accost the evil gays.

[Asher]

I find it incredibly reassuring that you find me the most unattractive man on the planet.

How could she indeed? Obviously because it's 100 percent physical attraction and she gets addicted to orgasms. Yes, she will never love me, but the thrill is worth the sacrifice of true love for eternity. And she has nice tits, so I'm happy on my end.

You are confused. I don't mean only physical attraction. I guess you are confused because you don't know love.

Attraction happens for many reasons, one of which is usually physical (unless you are both ugly, then you can settle). But it's you. Your spirit is evil. Your humour is nonexistent. Your personality bland. Your conversation skills infuriating.

This is true, but I don't need to touch a hot plate to know that it is hot. Observation alone is sufficient proof to gain testable knowledge.

Love is not a hot plate, Ben, and you can't observe love.

How do you know that your love is the same as anyone else's? Maybe yours tastes like rocky road and mine is mint sherbet.

Yours tastes like crusty truckstop semen, and we both know why.

Try me.

There's no point. You are simply not bright enough. Truly.

How is he trying to imprison them? Does he carry around a set of handcuffs and a warrent?

He is running for political office on that platform.

[Ben Kenobi]

Your humour is nonexistent

Really? I thought I was more phlegmatic.

Attraction happens for many reasons

Is it like charge where opposites attract, or gravity, where the more you have in common the better?

you can't observe love.

Ergo, love is not empirical. Therefore you have no way of clearly knowing whether you are 'in love' or not, or at least in any sensible fashion which can be replicated for someone else.

Yours tastes like crusty truckstop semen, and we both know why.

I wouldn't know. I don't make it a habit to obtain truckstop samples for taste testing.

He is running for political office on that platform.

And his base is significant enough to warrant concern on your part as to his election?

[Elok]

Sorry, I've been away at the midnight Paschal service, as Satanists who hate Jesus are wont to do.

Ben, I don't hate Jesus. I don't particularly dislike the Catholic church per se. But I despise stupidity, obfuscation and obscurantism. I think employing lies, hysterical and blatantly false comparisons and stonewalling to ostensibly serve the Prince of Peace is thoroughly revolting. And I think the church is the body of all believers, not just a collection of hierarchs.

If His Beatitude the Ecumenical Patriarch, Bartholomew I, were accused of enabling pederasty, I would be demanding a thorough investigation of the matter. If he responded by in effect frowning and saying, "the matter is being attended to, now mind your own biz," I would be very angry and ashamed of him. This kind of perversion is doubly bad because in addition to harming children, which is quite bad enough, it harms the church and drives people away from God. It would be quite clear to me that the Patriarch, nominally a servant of Christ, had betrayed his trust, now valued his office and reputation above the faithful execution of his duties and the service of his Lord, and very possibly merited dismissal. It seems to me that you think differently, that men are immune to laws and even morals provided they wear sufficiently big hats. That's your problem.

In the meantime, I reserve the right to laugh at people who say astonishingly stupid things. I look forward to this fellow's Thomas Sunday homily, when he will no doubt claim Mickey Mouse is out to steal his soul.

[Asher]

Well said, comrade Elok.

[Guynemer]

Elok, as a general rule of thumb, I have decided that you ****ing rule.

[Drake Tungsten]

Elok still sucks, but he's much better than Ben.

[Guynemer]

That is damning faint praise, Drake.

There is no way in which he sucks. He and I don't agree on everything when it comes to politics, much like you and I, but he is funny, charming, and reasonable. Everything Ben isn't.

[Riesstiu IV]

It is well said but those words are completely wasted on a ****** like Ben.

[Drake Tungsten]

There is no way in which he sucks.

Dude, he can't imagine a way to spend a million dollars. I refuse to believe someone that lacking in creativity can not suck.