How "Christian" of him!!

[Asher]

I'm saying that you have presented no facts to back up your assertion.

What kind of "fact" are you looking for?

Should I infiltrate the Vatican, inject truth serum into some Catholic Church brass and demand to know their new plan?

This is what I have heard and what I understand, and it makes sense logically and rationally. I'm pretty sure there will never be any sufficient "facts" for you to believe, so there's no point.

If you're curious, you can do some research. Frankly, I don't give a ****. Christian missionaries in foreign countries are creepy opportunists, regardless of the front they choose.

[DanS]

Hot air.

[Asher]

Believe what you want, DanS. It makes you feel better to imagine Christians always doing the right thing and helping those in need. I understand it's a shock to probably realize that missionaries do not exist for the love of "God's Children", but they are merely indoctrination tools that prey upon the vulnerable.

This is not hot air, it's established fact.

[Asher]

Dan, here's a fun task for you.

Look at how many Christian Missionary Hospitals were in India 50 years ago compared to now. They're almost all closed today, even in the rural areas.

Hot air?

[MrFun]

Not to you. I rescind my apology to you.

[MrFun]

If it was truly about helping the poor, this thread wouldn't exist.

quoted for ****ing TRUTH

[SlowwHand]

1 church.

Missions of Arapaho UMC
At Arapaho, we believe God calls us together as a community of faith and then sends us back out into the world to serve God's children and care for God's world. We share God's unconditional love in diverse and concrete ways. Some of the organizations that have received our gifts of time and money are:

Network of Community Ministries
Neighborhood Service Council
Amigos Days
Family Outreach
Dover Elementary School
Nueva Esperanza Fellowship
Curamericas
Hope's Door
Wesley-Rankin Community Center
Salvation Army Food Bank
Society of St. Andrew
Kairos Prison Ministry
Letot Center
Promise House
Taos Pueblo
Medical Clinic in Rio Bravo, Mexico
Save the Children's Adopt a Village Program
Seniors' Net (a ministry of Network)
Richardson Adult Literacy Center
Project Transformation
Helping Hands Gleaning Ministry
Pleasant Mound UMC Summer Arts Program
Transition Services (for adults with handicapping conditions)
Meals on Wheels
Greater Dallas Community of Churches (GDCC)

[Ben Kenobi]

Truely Ben is one of those people who give his faith a bad name and cause people to run away from it. It can sometimes be amazing when you actually do find a Christian or a Church who believes that the principal message is love and tolerance and not hate and exclusion.

Supposing you actually believe in heaven and hell, wouldn't you want to save as many people as possible? Earthly suffering is one thing, but eternal suffering is another. What good have you done if you have relieved someone's earthly suffering but condemned them to hell?

The key here is to help people, without abandoning your faith. Washington left off the conscience provision, forcing the church to drop these services and abandon government funding.

[Ben Kenobi]

Not providing an exemption for their bigotry is not kicking them out.

Forcing them to abandon their faith to continue their mission is wrong.

[Boris Godunov]

Forcing them to abandon their faith to continue their mission is wrong.

Saying they have to play by the same rules as everybody else or they can't get public $$ is perfectly reasonable. There's nothing wrong about it.

All this talk about conscience clauses...how about the consciences of tax payers who don't want their money going to something they find objectionable? Isn't that your own protest against public funding for abortions?

[Kidlicious]

I love it how people are willing to take Christian charity and piss on Christian principles.

If you expect something in return it's not really charity.

[MrFun]

Boris, you have to remember that BK goes by double standards.

[MrFun]

Since Kid had to quote BK, I have this to say:

The homeless and needy were not pissing on Christian values while taking in on their charity because those people WERE NOT INVOLVED WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS CAUSE FOR EQUAL MARRIAGE.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Supposing you actually believe in heaven and hell, wouldn't you want to save as many people as possible?

You save them with love, not hatred and fear.

[Ben Kenobi]

Saying they have to play by the same rules as everybody else or they can't get public $$ is perfectly reasonable. There's nothing wrong about it.

When the rules are contrary to their faith, yes there is something wrong with it. Obviously things worked perfectly well until now.

All this talk about conscience clauses...how about the consciences of tax payers who don't want their money going to something they find objectionable? Isn't that your own protest against public funding for abortions?

So you believe that Christian charity is the same as an abortion? Interesting thesis Boris, and very illuminating.