Political cartoons

[fed1943]

God is God with or without believers.
I agree. And God doesn't need any "service" men can say are doing to Him.
That's just human vanity or deception.

[loinburger]

Now--Ben, what does the scouter say about his power level?

http://tinyurl.com/2qv83m

[SpencerH]

I had one lecturer who bought a picture in the middle of the whole debacle, is that good enough?

I stand corrected until further evidence emerges.

[Felch]

Loin is right. Over 9000.

[Wernazuma III]

Hell, second class rights under Islam was usually better than first class rights under Christianity. The reason why the Austrians built so many forts along the Ottoman frontier wasn't to keep the Turks out. It was to keep the Christians in. Their serfs kept trying to escape and become second class citizens. Christians under Islam may have had to pay more in taxes than Muslims, but they paid less than Christians under Christian lords.

That's inane. Where did you get this from? I'd love to know what fortresses you're talking about and which period of Austrian-Ottoman conflict.

[Felch]

Wern, how dare you imply that you understand Austrian history better than Che? He has the benefit of his alternative newspapers, while you're merely Austrian.

[Dry]

Sigh. I don't know what to say solomnwi. Do you not see the heritage of Europe right before your eyes? I don't see how any intellectually honest person can subscribe the crime against progress to the biggest patron of arts, science and history over the last 2 millenia. We would not have half the history that we do without the preservation of learning throughout the medieval period, and we would not be where we are today without the Church.

I think we all know the "progress" made in science, art and society before 1500 AD, during the time the Church was unchallenged.
We all know how the influence of pagan/secular greek philosophy and citizenship/democracy during the renaissance drastically slowed down those "progress".
And we indeed "see" the difference in art before and after 1500. It's striking what the "positive" influence of christianity on art was before 1500.
And not to speak about the christian feudalism and serfdom system over that backward pagan/secular greek notion of citizenship or democracy.

Certainly, it was not the re-discovery of the greek culture and values that made europe the enlightened continent it was.

It is the slow process of secularisation, beginning with the Renaissance, the Reformation and the re-discovery of greek values that brought Europe where it is now (compared to what did not happen in islamic countries).
The advantage of Europe over middle-east is that we got rid of the church, not because because we are christians.

[Imran Siddiqui]

attempts to eradicate cultures contrary to their own.

Which is why Muslims in Indonesia are exactly like Muslims in Pakistan, which are exactly like Muslims in Saudi Arabia....

Have you ever, say, been to a Muslims wedding thrown by Pakistanis and compared it to one thrown by Arabs?

You are a complete ********.

[Lorizael]

Abraham is far older than Zoroaster.

He's back about the middle bronze age, around 1650-1800 BC. The earliest evidence we have for Zoroaster puts him at about 600-700 BC, in the early Iron Age.

Just saw this.

[Zevico]

Lastly, for clarity it should be pointed out that Jews don't think Christ will come in any sense of the word. They think a living descendant of the House of David will emerge among the Jews of a certain age and that he will become the King of Israel. I.e. they do not think that Christ (or King David for that matter) will have arisen from the dead to lead the nation.* The King will be human. Thence Jewish society will become ideal and other nations will emulate it. Needless to say there is a contradiction in stating that divine intervention will render a society "divinely just", and that other societies will in turn follow that society in turning to "divine justice", and maintaining them to be human all the same.
*Jews may also believe that all Jews will come back to life once the King emerges. Technically, as Christ was an ordinary Jew (in their view), this would include him among those to arise from the dead. I can't recall the precise details from my last conversation with a religious Jew, and my instinct is to think that this is all nonsense in any case.

Oh, and some more cartoons on the Mohammed issue

http://www.cagle.com/caglecards/main.asp?image=http://cagle.com/working/090923/cagle00.gif

http://cagle.com/caglecards/main.asp?image=/news/RecessionOVER/images/fitzsimmons.jpg

http://cagle.com/caglecards/main.asp?image=/news/Muhammad/images/englehart.gif

http://www.cagle.com/news/Muhammad/images3/cam.gif

See also and especially

http://www.cagle.com/news/Muhammad/images/lauzan.gif

[Zevico]

Poor Hillary.

http://cagle.com/caglecards/main.asp?image=/news/HillaryFreaks/images/luckovich.gif

Personally, I think Clinton reacted quite well to the question posed to her in the news conference. In a region where women's rights movements are weak and their worth is questioned it was necessary for her to emphasise that she was entrusted to the task of being Secretary of State, and that she was not a cipher for her husband.

[Ben Kenobi]

Lastly, for clarity it should be pointed out that Jews don't think Christ will come in any sense of the word. They think a living descendant of the House of David will emerge among the Jews of a certain age and that he will become the King of Israel. I.e. they do not think that Christ (or King David for that matter) will have arisen from the dead to lead the nation.* The King will be human. Thence Jewish society will become ideal and other nations will emulate it. Needless to say there is a contradiction in stating that divine intervention will render a society "divinely just", and that other societies will in turn follow that society in turning to "divine justice", and maintaining them to be human all the same.

AFAIK, they expect Elijah to return prior to the coming of the promised Messiah. Otherwise, yeah, thanks for the correction.

[Ben Kenobi]

Which is why Muslims in Indonesia are exactly like Muslims in Pakistan, which are exactly like Muslims in Saudi Arabia....

And your point? Just because there are variations within Islam, doesn't mean that each of the varieties like each other.

[Ben Kenobi]

I think we all know the "progress" made in science, art and society before 1500 AD, during the time the Church was unchallenged.

Sure. Quite a bit actually. The whole point of the 'high middle ages' affirms this perception. It would be good if we knew more, particularly in late antiquity and in the earliest part of the middle ages. The dark ages refers to the lack of evidence we have of this specific period moreso to anything else. Your thesis here is straight from Gibbon, who has his own agenda of which you need to be cogzinant.

We all know how the influence of pagan/secular greek philosophy and citizenship/democracy during the renaissance drastically slowed down those "progress".

Where did I ever say such? I argue that much of the provender in the period was sponsored by the Church who was the largest and most dedicated patron. I'm also curious what effect the collapse of the Byzantines had, bringing what they had of knowledge over to the west. The middle ages cannot be considered 'dark' for the Eastern Romans.

And not to speak about the christian feudalism and serfdom system over that backward pagan/secular greek notion of citizenship or democracy.

Christianity is older than Feudalism. I don't see how you can pile that as a 'Christian' idea.

Certainly, it was not the re-discovery of the greek culture and values that made europe the enlightened continent it was.

Well true, but the Greeks who had that were Christians. Don't forget that the preservation of this knowledge and it's emergence in the west is more a product of the isolation of the west than anything else. Christianity is not just Europe, and not just the West, and you must remember this.

It is the slow process of secularisation, beginning with the Renaissance, the Reformation and the re-discovery of greek values that brought Europe where it is now (compared to what did not happen in islamic countries).

Copy paste some nonsense from Gibbon.

The advantage of Europe over middle-east is that we got rid of the church, not because because we are christians.

Actually, your advantage is that you are Christians. It's sad to see that Islam will be replacing you anyways making you total write-offs.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And your point? Just because there are variations within Islam, doesn't mean that each of the varieties like each other.

It means your quote:

eradicate cultures contrary to their own.

is entirely bull**** as different cultures in Islam means cultures contrary were not eradicated, and once again, you are revealed as a liar.