Political cartoons

[Ben Kenobi]

You didn't say eradicate SOME cultures, you said it eradicates cultures contrary to their own, implying all.

The statement only refers to cultures contrary to Islam, not cultures within Islam, ie Zoroasterianism, which has nothing to do with your point that they have Sunni and Shiite within Islam

Indian culture was most assuredly preserved by Islam, regardless of contrariness of it to the original Arabian Islamic culture.

Indian culture? What culture do you mean? If you mean Buddhist, how do you explain the destruction of Buddhist statues in Afghanistan that predated the Islamic conquest?

[Zevico]

The statement only refers to cultures contrary to Islam, not cultures within Islam, ie Zoroasterianism, which has nothing to do with your point that they have Sunni and Shiite within Islam



Indian culture? What culture do you mean? If you mean Buddhist, how do you explain the destruction of Buddhist statues in Afghanistan that predated the Islamic conquest?

1. Zoroatrianism predates Islam and does not come within it.
2. I think you and Imran have confused one another. We may say with certainty that Islamic empires ruled parts of India and that those empires tolerated Buddhist and Hindu culture. These empires were very large, quite powerful, and their rule covered much of India's territory. Most notably the Mughal Empire, which subsisted until the British took India (and the Empire) apart piece by piece. The Mughal (Muslim) empire tolerated Buddhist and Hindu culture. They did so on the basis of a religious ruling that stated that Buddhists and Hindus were "People of the Book." Hence the Buddhist and Hindu cultures were preserved in that period. This, at least, is what historians tell us of the time.
3. The destruction of the Buddhist statutes in Afghanistan was committed by the Taliban. The Taliban are not the Mughals, and nor are they the political or religious equivalents of the Mughals.

[Ben Kenobi]

2. I think you and Imran have confused one another. We may say with certainty that Islamic empires ruled parts of India and that those empires tolerated Buddhist and Hindu culture. These empires were very large, quite powerful, and their rule covered much of India's territory. Most notably the Mughal Empire, which subsisted until the British took India (and the Empire) apart piece by piece. The Mughal (Muslim) empire tolerated Buddhist and Hindu culture. They did so on the basis of a religious ruling that stated that Buddhists and Hindus were "People of the Book." Hence the Buddhist and Hindu cultures were preserved in that period. This, at least, is what historians tell us of the time.

One of the reasons for the success of the British is that the Mughals were displaced, and the Hindu majority given their own education systems and much greater status. Imperialism in a sense, exchanging western constitutional monarchy for eastern absolutism.

As for Zoroasterianism, they have a long and conflicted history with Islam. Many of the shrines have been pulled down and destroyed in Persia. Yazd is down to about 5 percent Zoroasterian. I meant to say that Zoroasterianism is an example of a culture contrary to Islam that has suffered great depredations and persecution. The Muslims have managed to shut down everything but one of the fire temples in Yazd, and no longer allow the towers of silence to be maintained.

[RGBVideo]

WTF

Welcome to Historical revisionism 101.

The "Ottoman borders were a historical Berlin wall"-argument is rich, considering kafirs had no legal protection anywhere east of Bosphorus.



...and yes, i know that ottoman borders != straits of bosphorus in the middle ages, the point is that legal practices were more complicated and borders haphazard on the european side and wanted to be historically accurate instead of throwing empty phrases, now go back to wanking with wikipedia you jackasses

[Imran Siddiqui]

The statement only refers to cultures contrary to Islam, not cultures within Islam, ie Zoroasterianism, which has nothing to do with your point that they have Sunni and Shiite within Islam



Indian culture? What culture do you mean? If you mean Buddhist, how do you explain the destruction of Buddhist statues in Afghanistan that predated the Islamic conquest?

You are a moron. So you have no idea what Indian culture is? You've never seen a Bollywood movie or, Hell, even "Slumdog Millionaire"? I can assure you that Muslim rule in India (and Pakistan) has absorbed quite a bit of Indian culture, which was definitely contrary to Islam (Hindus believe in tons of gods). Though if you say that ancient Hindu practices is a culture within Islam, I'll have to toss you out the window.

[RGBVideo]

ben kenobi seems to equate that culture = religion. this is not the case, unless the practiced religion is oppressive, totalitarian ****

yeah, islamic countries can not have their own cultures, sure thing buddy i bet ben kenobi has never heard of egyptian TV shows either

[Patroklos]

The reason why the Austrians built so many forts along the Ottoman frontier wasn't to keep the Turks out. It was to keep the Christians in. Their serfs kept trying to escape and become second class citizens.

The things you believe

You didn't say eradicate SOME cultures, you said it eradicates cultures contrary to their own, implying all.

Sorry Imran, it implied no such thing that is simply how you chose to read it. The comment also doesn't point to the assumption that there is a singular Islamic culture either.

[Sprayber]

The tolerance of muslims to other religions seems to vary according to their power in a society. It makes me giggle to hear people say how Muslims think of Christians and especially Jews as people of the faith. I wonder if there is anyone here willing to test that theory instead of just posting it on an internet site. People try to discount the radicals as being outside the "normal" relm of Islam but exactly what is being done to couteract the message they are sending? Sure the governments keep a close eye on them. That is because they often represent a threat to them as well. It also interests me why people find it necessary to explain why Muslims rioted over cartoons and such and in doing so bring up Europe in the Middle Ages. Seriously? Would anyone care to tell them that they are on that level?

Not all Muslims are bad people but it seems to me that if they were interested in the whole "Islam is a Religion of Peace" message then they would be doing far more in the practical application of that. Saying all that, being a white guy I would feel little apprehension about travelling through Turkey but sure as **** I would be worried about certain areas where Islam is predominate.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Sorry Imran, it implied no such thing that is simply how you chose to read it. The comment also doesn't point to the assumption that there is a singular Islamic culture either.

Actually, yes it did. Otherwise the statement makes no sense. Then again with Ben, perhaps it doesn't make sense.

It also fails horribly when you look at India/Pakistan as Muslims basically have taking Indian culture and have put Islamic religion on top of it (just look at a Muslim Indian/Pakistani wedding - almost exactly like a Hindu wedding with very minor changes).

[Imran Siddiqui]

It makes me giggle to hear people say how Muslims think of Christians and especially Jews as people of the faith. I wonder if there is anyone here willing to test that theory instead of just posting it on an internet site.

Tariq Aziz, basically second in command in Saddam's Iraq, is a Christian (Chaldean Catholic, to be specific).

[DinoDoc]

Tariq Aziz, basically second in command in Saddam's Iraq, is a Christian (Chaldean Catholic, to be specific).

Ostensibly that was a secular dictatorship, yes?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Of course, but I'm responding to:

The tolerance of muslims to other religions seems to vary according to their power in a society

Muslims had all the power in Iraq (Saddam was Muslim, of course), and he kept the secular dictatorship going instead of turning it fundy.

[Zkribbler]

What's Jerry Brown up to these days? Wait a minute. He's still alive, right?

Yep. He's Attorney General of California and thinking about another run for Governor.

[Ben Kenobi]

So you have no idea what Indian culture is? You've never seen a Bollywood movie or, Hell, even "Slumdog Millionaire"?

I used to date a Sikh all throughout high school. Very lovely girl, and yes I have seen Bollywood movies. I live not far from the Sikh temple here. Used to live with some Sikhs when I went to university down in Vancouver. Heck, I even took courses on Indian history, and wrote a thesis on the partition.

I think it's hilarious that you base your entire knowledge of Indian culture on 'slumdog millionaire'.

Which culture? Jain? Parsi? Sikh? Buddhist? Hindu? Christian? Muslim. There are many, many different cultures in India that all intermingle.

I can assure you that Muslim rule in India (and Pakistan) has absorbed quite a bit of Indian culture,

Muslims are very strict in that there is only one God. Do you know anything about the Partition? When given the option, they self segregated.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You are a ****. Sure, don't listen to the person who has actually been to Pakistan and attending weddings there.