[serious] Off Topic Moderation Input - Part 2

[kentonio]

We'd definitely need more than one a day..

[Ben Kenobi]

It would really say something about Poly's 'culture', if there was a 'what a ********' button instead of a thanks button.

[DaShi]

How about a "Christ! What an ass!" button?

[Egbert]

Also, It'd be nice to have a "I will NOT thank you for what you said" button.

The button we need most is a "You're a f*cktard if you think that".

It would save an enormous amount of typing for numerous Polytubbies in all the debates about whatever....

[Ben Kenobi]

Can you take your argument about Wilberforce back to whichever thread it came from

Ok, done. Thanks MikeH.

[MikeH]

Can you take your argument about Wilberforce back to whichever thread it came from and accept the point that there will be situations where "I am just quoting facts" isn't going to be an acceptable defence, where the facts are deliberately skewed to make a prejudicial point that contravenes our guidelines.

It should also be clear that I haven't said anywhere that anything Ben has said on this particular conversation was unacceptable. Which is why I can't understand why he is trying to persuade me it's acceptable. Maybe he thinks it's something I will consider unacceptable?

[kentonio]

Whatever dude. That's.. like, your opinion, man.

I'd be happy to make a poll and see just how prevalent that opinion is if you like?

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't know why I make the mistake of trying to talk to you like a human being. You're a lying, racist little **** who belongs in a classroom about as much as Michael Jackson belonged at a child's sleepover.

Whatever dude. That's.. like, your opinion, man.

[kentonio]

I don't know why I make the mistake of trying to talk to you like a human being. You're a lying, racist little **** who belongs in a classroom about as much as Michael Jackson belonged at a child's sleepover.

[Ben Kenobi]

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[Ben Kenobi]

Top tip for not getting banned - address the moderator's point, not a strawman.

Where did I misrepresent your position with a strawman? If so, I apologize.

'facts' as you provided them in that post above are similarly leading in intent

And what exactly is the intent that you perceive? What do you believe I'm really trying to say here?

[kentonio]

Wilberforce was not a super hero, and in fact did not 'shut down the slave trade'. That's pretty retarded even for you. He led a campaign to abolish slavery based around the premise that the slavery being carried out by white folks in vast numbers was repugnant and immoral.

You are correct that slavery has never been a purely white on black pastime, however given that whites were the ones doing it right up until the 19th century and in simply vast numbers, you should probably stop being a racist apologist ****. You can probably also extend that to all the other things you're offensively wrong about too.

Then again, being that you're a fundamentalist Catholic, it's understandable that you don't really have a problem with the enslavement of other races.

In 1452, Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bull Dum Diversas, granting the kings of Spain and Portugal the right to reduce any "Saracens, pagans and any other unbelievers" to perpetual slavery, legitimizing the slave trade as a result of war.

[MikeH]

Top tip for not getting banned - address the moderator's point, not a strawman.

[Ben Kenobi]

I would say the 'facts' as you provided them in that post above are similarly leading in intent.

Wilberforce was a white dude and he successfully shut down the slave trade. That's a historical fact. It's also a historical fact that many black folks did engage in slavery and successfully enslaved White folks.

If one wants to blame white folks for what they did wrong, shouldn't we also credit them for what they did right? And the same for black folks?

[MikeH]

The way you use 'facts' to represent an argument can still be racist.

e.g. the following statement is a fact:

"Ben Kenobi has never apologised on Apolyton for being a racist"

However it is a fact with strong implications and I suspect you'd argue with the way the fact was phrased. You will note that in that phrase I haven't said you are a racist, I've just said you haven't apologised for being one.

I would say the 'facts' as you provided them in that post above are similarly leading in intent.