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  • #226
    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
    You dumbass!

    25 years and blasting George Kirk's ship for the Romulan mining vessel was almost no time at all to Spock's ship due to the minutes later going through the black hole, as stated in the movie. Pay attention. And if you think that science is dumb, then what are you doing watching Star Trek in the first place?

    Fail...


    He was talking about Nero not Spock.
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    • #227
      He was talking about a discussion why Spock didn't just ram Nero's ship... PAY ATTENTION
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #228
        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
        You dumbass!

        Spoiler:
        25 years and blasting George Kirk's ship for the Romulan mining vessel was almost no time at all to Spock's ship due to the minutes later going through the black hole, as stated in the movie. Pay attention. And if you think that science is dumb, then what are you doing watching Star Trek in the first place?
        Uh, wha...?

        Spoiler:
        It was still 25 years for Nero though. I wondered the same thing...did he just sit around for all that time? I thought maybe they'd explain it as a result of the damage from the collision (maybe it knocked their warp drive offline or something and that's how long they had to wait to be found/do repairs) but what they did during that time was never explained, which annoyed me too.


        Edit: Bah. I'm slow.
        Last edited by Koyaanisqatsi; May 13, 2009, 10:23. Reason: I'm slow
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        • #229
          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
          He was talking about a discussion why Spock didn't just ram Nero's ship...
          No.
          "In the beginning was the Word. Then came the ******* word processor." -Dan Simmons, Hyperion

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          • #230
            Yes.

            Considering that's what my reply was in response to and he responded to me...
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #231
              Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
              Spoiler:
              I thought maybe they'd explain it as a result of the damage from the collision (maybe it knocked their warp drive offline or something and that's how long they had to wait to be found/do repairs)
              .
              Spoiler:
              For that matter, how did Nero's ship survive a warp core breach from Kirk's at all? Reboot or not, it's been established that you want to be very far away when that happens..
              "In the beginning was the Word. Then came the ******* word processor." -Dan Simmons, Hyperion

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              • #232
                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                Yes.

                Considering that's what my reply was in response to and he responded to me...
                You seem to have missed the word "or".
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                • #233
                  The word 'or' and everything beyond it is irrelevent to the original point.
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • #234
                    Originally posted by Heraclitus View Post
                    Fail...


                    He was talking about Nero not Spock.
                    QFT!

                    Who's the dumbass now, Imran?
                    Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                    • #235
                      Prepare to be geekschooled.

                      Abrams isn't a dumb guy, as Lost has shown. What appear to be coincidences may not be. There's at least two more movies coming, so this is in some way serial.

                      Spoiler:
                      I think it is unlikely that Kirk "by chance" meets Spock on the ice planet. Ditto that Nero waited 25 years.

                      Spock knows how to travel through time. He's done it many times before.

                      Below is a snippit a friend sent to me that postulates on this:

                      Spock Prime (SP) SP also knows that time travel just killed Vulcan. Even ignoring the "red matter" he knows that when madmen from alternate universes can just come zipping back through time any moment, no warning, and blow up half the federation, that's not a good thing. SP doesn't want to promote that technology to the TOS' federation. He wants to make it didn't happen ever again.

                      So what's the truth?

                      Well, obviously Nero did not hang around 25 years carefully shaving his stubble to the same length over and over. Nero did some math to figure out when/where SP was coming and time-travelled to meet him. Then he forced SP to watch Vulcan implode from the Nerada all the while doing the usual self-righteous-Romulan thing SP has seen only too many times.

                      Leaving SP to stew Nero sets about unsuccessfully plagiarizing Khan on Chris Pike (the slug goes in the dude's ear, dummy). SP nerve-pinches his guards and runs for the transporters. No sense beaming to Vulcan ... but there's an ice-world in the system that SP knows only too well from growing up nearby. He scans for a place to hide from Nero and while he's at it he sees a set of very familiar life-signs.

                      Realizing that Kirk-Pine is about to be something's breakfast SP beams down just about 1 second before we actually see him. He's not certain how many lies he's going to have to tell to hide the facts of time-travel which is why he feeds Kirk the **** and bull about not letting on to Spock-Quinto (SQ). But since the whole timeline is cocked up anyway, and since SP feels better about losing Vulcan to a villain than losing Romulus to his own incompetence, SP decides then and there he's going to make the universe over in a better way.

                      SP had a whole big mess of technology in his ship but it doesn't matter that it's blown to crap now because, after all, SP knows everything there is to know about 24th/25th century tech. Since there's no timeline continuity to worry about preserving, SP's motivation now is to make the Federation succeed in ways it never succeeded before.

                      So the first thing he does is give Montgomery Scott the transwarp equation about 50 years before it was invented by Scott-Prime. But Transwarp isn't just some way to transport to a ship at warp. It was defined in the third movie as a way to jump to any warp speed without having to burn energy accelerating through all the speeds less than that.

                      In other words, it's an enormously improved warp drive. And by giving the math, rather than just building and burning the thing himself, SP's making the TOS' federation vastly more powerful than its traditional foes. I mean Romulans and Klingons as of right now have no choice - join the Federation or get blockaded on your homeworlds.

                      What's more, SP knows the Borg are coming soon. The destruction of Vulcan by red matter is certainly distinctive enough to raise their interest. If they're not in the next movie you can bet your bottom dollar they'll be in the third. The Borg have transwarp, adaptive shielding, quantum torps ... everything Janeway's ship gave the Federation at the end of Voyager.

                      And not just them. SP knows where the Gamma quadrant shapeshifters have their wormhole. He knows there are even worse threats out there. If the TOS' Federation is going to survive, SP has to spill the beans on all the tech he knows. And he's got one fundamental: he wants to find a way to stop time-travel from ever affecting the Federation again.

                      That's SP's real agenda. That's why he exists now. He and the remaining Vulcans will rededicate themselves to creating a Federation strong enough to eliminate tyranny and time-travel from the galaxy. Which could make a pretty good dozen or so movies before the franchise re-enters the pits.
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                      • #236
                        Spoiler:
                        It doesn't matter if Spock knows that Nero is a vengeful enemy or not (he did). He is carrying a weapon capable of killing trillions, the idea that he would allow that to be captured either means 1.) we have to accept that Spock is an incompetant or a coward or both, or 2.) the writers are lazy and needed it to happen, so it did.

                        I don't even stop by the gas station when transporting government small arms, let alone stop by a ship that is even if not my enemy still the property of a race that is the cold rival of my country.
                        Last edited by Patroklos; May 13, 2009, 10:56.
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                        • #237
                          Spoiler tag, Navy boy
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                          • #238
                            Chris Pine was really good as the lead in Bottle Shock -- a movie I highly recommend, well written and with a great cast (the awesome Alan Rickman, Bill Pullman, Rachael Taylor). I found it strange that the studio PR for ST never seems to mention this.
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                            • #239
                              Done.
                              "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                              • #240
                                Imran is formulating his reply...
                                Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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