Why is there no thread on the most important current event? ST

[Lorizael]

Sure there is. If you're above the event horizon, a finite amount of energy is required to escape. If you're below the event horizon, an infinite amount of energy is required to escape. Simple.

[chequita guevara]

You bastards ever hear of using the SPOILER TAGS!?!

[KrazyHorse]

One would think that it would be a good idea to not read a 10 page discussion of the new ST movie without seeing it first, unless you simply didn't care.

[chequita guevara]

Everyone was being pretty good about using spoiler tags until the last five posts or so.

[KrazyHorse]

That's what you get when you tempt fate.

[Heraclitus]

one would think that it would be a good idea to not read a 10 page discussion of the new st movie without seeing it first, unless you simply didn't care.

+1

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yeah, it's been almost a week since it came out. I thought using spoiler tags was silly after the weekend (Hell, that's why I stayed out of here until Tuesday).

[rah]

I haven't seen the movie yet, and I doubt all the spoiler tags I've opened will ruin it for me.

[Patroklos]

If Spock Prime did that, yes he would have eliminated Red Matter as a source of destruction but you still would have the itsy issue of a space ship capable of destroying entire 23rd century fleets under the command of a madman.

As seen, Spock raming the ship would cause a massive black whole, destroying it (or sending it somewhere else).

And Nero's ship was not invincible. Every time we see him plastering ships he does it via surprise (though that is also ridiculous, how he achieves it). He is obviously worried about the Federation border defenses, that being the whole reason he STII's Pike.

[Heraclitus]

As seen, Spock raming the ship would cause a massive black whole, destroying it (or sending it somewhere else).

Did you miss my first part of the post? Do you remember in the movie when Young Spock is about to be shot out of the sky by Nero and is saved by the Enterprise in the last moment?


Well Spock prime didn't have any assistance, if he tried to do that he would have just destroyed the red matter.

[Dis]

lol I'll have to stop reading this thread. was going to see it tuesday, but I was too tired. Working graveyard and seeing movies don't go together very well. I'll try again next tuesday.

[Patroklos]

Did you miss my first part of the post? Do you remember in the movie when Young Spock is about to be shot out of the sky by Nero and is saved by the Enterprise in the last moment?

Except he isn't shot out of the sky, and the ship rams Nero's despite all his fancy weaponry. All the Enterprise did was beam him off at the last minute which is immaterial to Spock ramming the ship in the first place. Spock has sacrificed himself to save a few hundred before, something tells me he would do the same for six billion or the possible a trillion beings.

Well Spock prime didn't have any assistance, if he tried to do that he would have just destroyed the red matter.

Even if that correct (its not), how is just destroying the red matter a bad thing?

[Arrian]

The destruction of the red matter is just about infinitely more important than the destruction of the Narada. Even assuming that the massive black hole that would result from the destruction of Spock's ship didn't suck the Narada in (and I rather think it would have), the red matter is gone and now Nero cannot destroy planets. He can beat up on Star Fleet, but eventually they will take him out.

This is a major plot hole. And, IMO, it could've been closed relatively easily. Somehow make Spock unconcious when he first enters the 23rd century. Nero captures him & his ship before he wakes up and can prevent it. Done.

edit:

All the Enterprise did was beam him off at the last minute

No, the Enterprise shot down a bunch of the Narada's torpedos, clearing a path for Spock's ship. Which is rather silly, because if phasors can shoot down the torps like that...

-Arrian

[Lorizael]

Another plot hole: Why didn't the Temporal Integrity Commission come from the 29th century and clear all this up before it ever got to the silver screen?

[Heraclitus]

The destruction of the red matter is just about infinitely more important than the destruction of the Narada. Even assuming that the massive black hole that would result from the destruction of Spock's ship didn't suck the Narada in (and I rather think it would have), the red matter is gone and now Nero cannot destroy planets. He can beat up on Star Fleet, but eventually they will take him out.

I dissagree. My line of reasoning goes like this:


The Enterprise of the 23rd century can lay waste to entire planets
The Narada can kick the ass of a whole fleet of ships that are on the same tech level of the Enterprise and it can blast the enterprise to smitheriness in 1 on 1.

Its reasonable the Narada can bomb the surface of a planet.


And even if it for some stupid reason can't, well it can still wipe out starfleet, all space stations, all starbases, all satelites, and all orbital shipyards...


All Nero has to do is grab a huge asteorid and sent it crashing into a planet.
It may not kill everyone but it can sure as hell eliminate any shipbuilding capability the planet has not to mention kill thousands of millions.

Just repeate this process in every Federation star system and the Federation for all intents and purposes ceases to exist as a stellar power.



That or Nero can go to Romulus fricking declare himself Emperor and use the empire's resources and his own formidable tech to carry out any plan of genocide he pleases.