Rev. Rick Warren to give the invocation on Inauguration Day?

[Ben Kenobi]

(and was one of the main players in the push for Prop 8),

I know that it's ridiculous to conflate Warren with prop 8, and you know that it's ridiculous to conflate the two, maybe you should tell DRose.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Supporters of Rick Warren = supporters of Prop 8

Not necessarily.

And may I remind you that you originally said Obama's support across the nation.

[Ben Kenobi]

And may I remind you that you originally said Obama's support across the nation.

Yes, that's a slightly different argument, but Prop 8 and similar bills have passed in 30 states now, by wide margins that are much stronger then Obama's mandate.

[Zkribbler]

People keep forgetting Obama's goal of being President of all Americans, not just of those who supported him.

So what, if Obama goes back and picks the guy who hosted the first Obama-McCain debate to give an invocation? It's not a big deal. Obama is not converting to Uber-right-wing-fundamental-OnwardChristainSoldier-ism.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I know that it's ridiculous to conflate Warren with prop 8, and you know that it's ridiculous to conflate the two, maybe you should tell DRose.

Warren backing Prop 8 and all of Prop 8 supporters being supporters of Warren are two vastly different things and you should be smart enough to realize that.

[Ben Kenobi]

Warren backing Prop 8 and all of Prop 8 supporters being supporters of Warren are two vastly different things and you should be smart enough to realize that.

I was quoting DRose.

Must be nice to say that I'm responsible for things I didn't even say in the first place.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


I was quoting DRose.

Must be nice to say that I'm responsible for things I didn't even say in the first place.

DRose didn't write this: http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showt...07#post5497007

You did.

[Blaupanzer]

Ben's little logic drill is filled with lots of holes. But it also raises an important question: Does the majority define normal? As a math proposition the norm can be related to voting majorities. But to compare one vote to another, MUST we ascribe majorityness as defining the normal? With three separate votes we can derive the utterly unprovable contention that "normal" is an Obama supporter (national vote) who is opposed to gay marraige (CA vote) but in favor of the right to choose (South Dakota's vote). This is nonsense.

[Berzerker]

The only truly objectionable piece of that paragraph is that he supports keeping homosexuality illegal in Uganda.

wow, thats quite a religion he has there... I object to people using Jesus to push their ideology


but I do that too

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
And now I've just remembered who Rev. Wright is. The insane black reverend whom Obama was formerly associated with.

He's not insane. Wright's views are actually fairly mainstream among Black people. And most of his views are actually close to reflecting reality, unlike, say, yours. Yeah, he has a few kooky views, but then again, he is a Christian.

[chequita guevara]

It's so funny when liberals' politics comes back to bite them in the ass.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Some if it comes from either sermons or his books I believe. Here's some stuff that I have gotten:

On abortions:

http://christianpost.com/article/20081217/rick-warren-not-satisfied-with-making-abortions-rare_pageall.htm

On non-Evangelical Christians:
http://christianpost.com/article/200...ays-warren.htm

What do you actually find wrong with these statements? You may disagree with them but I fail to see anything offensive about them.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles

Originally posted by MrFun
And now I've just remembered who Rev. Wright is. The insane black reverend whom Obama was formerly associated with.

He's not insane. Wright's views are actually fairly mainstream among Black people. And most of his views are actually close to reflecting reality, unlike, say, yours.

Do a majority of Black People actually believe that AIDS was invented by the government as a genocidal plot against Blacks? Given your comment about it reflecting reality, do you believe that?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Do a majority of Black People actually believe that AIDS was invented by the government as a genocidal plot against Blacks? Given your comment about it reflecting reality, do you believe that?

A majority of Black people I have spoken with on the subject, or a very large plurality, do in fact believe just that. I do not believe it, but given the American government's history, it's not an insane belief. Remember Tuskegee. Also consider the smallpox blankets (though most folks are unaware it was a British commander who handed them out). There there are the various eugenics programs the U.S. has engaged in, even up to the 1980s. And given the U.S. government's role in the importation of illegal drugs, much of which have ended up in the Black community and had a devastating role there (neither of which were incidental), it isn't unreasonable to make a leap that the U.S. government is capable of and seeking to destroy Black people. I just don't think there's any evidence to support that view and plenty of contrary evidence to oppose it.

[Kuciwalker]

A majority of Black people I have spoken with on the subject, or a very large plurality, do in fact believe just that. I do not believe it, but given the American government's history, it's not an insane belief.

Yes, it really is, and yes, they really are insane, and moreover they are stupid.