Rev. Rick Warren to give the invocation on Inauguration Day?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Ah, to hell with it. You're Pro-Dead-Baby. Thanks DD

[TCO]

Rev Wright is covering it.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Screenshot or it didn't happen. The only reference I can find to contraversey on his wiki was teh gheys blaming him and the Mormons for the failiures of thier leaders during the Prop 8 campaign.

Agreed. Unless you've got some proof, you may be confusing Rick Warren with some of those other famous preachers. From what I've heard he hardly seems in the same category.

Unless Christian + anti-gay marriage = evil Nazi bigot, then of course Obama is also an evil Nazi bigot.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Screenshot or it didn't happen. The only reference I can find to contraversey on his wiki was teh gheys blaming him and the Mormons for the failiures of thier leaders during the Prop 8 campaign.

You DO know public figures, particularly controversial ones, often have their Wiki pages scrubbed right?

Google isn't letting me find the direct quotes, all it's doing is giving me hits that have the search terms ANYWHERE on the page, regardless if they're even in the same paragraph or not, and I had to exclude the 50 bajillion pages about the inauguration AND Prop8.

Some if it comes from either sermons or his books I believe. Here's some stuff that I have gotten:

On abortions:

http://christianpost.com/article/20081217/rick-warren-not-satisfied-with-making-abortions-rare_pageall.htm

On non-Evangelical Christians:

http://christianpost.com/article/20081216/social-gospel-is-marxism-in-christian-clothing-says-warren.htm

On gay rights (or lack thereof) in Uganda:

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/30/54825/1882

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by OzzyKP


Agreed. Unless you've got some proof, you may be confusing Rick Warren with some of those other famous preachers. From what I've heard he hardly seems in the same category.

Unless Christian + anti-gay marriage = evil Nazi bigot, then of course Obama is also an evil Nazi bigot.

Ozzy, there's Christian, then there's Evangelical Christian. You know know damn well Evangelicals are more conservative than mainstream Christians. Only the African Evangelicals are more conservative than ours.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Ozzy, there's Christian, then there's Evangelical Christian. You know know damn well Evangelicals are more conservative than mainstream Christians. Only the African Evangelicals are more conservative than ours.

No:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_left

[MrFun]

Originally posted by TCO
Rev Wright is covering it.

So Obama has come to his senses then and changed his mind about Rick Warren?

I read this article this morning about Obama's choice for a speaker at the inaugural. I was going to post a thread asking whether or not Obama is schizophrenic.

He publicaly does not actively support the cause for equal marriage rights for gays but I believe he privately is open minded to this.

He has appointed at least one, maybe two, openly gay persons to his administration. Yet, he associated himself with an ex-gay person during the campaign.

He says he will repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy and revoke the stupid Defense of Marriage Act.


But now, here we are with the pendulum having swung in the other direction, hitting gays in the face with Obama's original choice for Warren. What is Rev. Wright's full name so I can google him? I want to know if this reverend is much more reasonable and humane than Warren. I'm hoping you're right, that Obama has changed his mind on Warren.

[Lorizael]

Arg! That's not what schizophrenic means!

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


No:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_left

This is the first time I've ever heard the term "Evangelical Left" and it sounds like a touchy-feely way of combating the Evangelicals by stealing and diluting the term Evangelical. That's got to stick in their craw.



Look, as I can't find the quotes about groups going to Hell and women in faith leadership I'm looking for, I'm willing to let them go as hearsay until I can find the actual quotes, but his positions on abortion and gays is not something that's well-hidden. He's against stem-cell research, abortion, has supported Ugandan efforts to maintain illegality for homosexuality, and against gay marriage/unions. Maybe MrFun will have better luck find the more unseemly comments this guy has made about people other than gays (hint hint, MrFun).

As for abortion and my position, that's (again) for another thread.

Some other items before I head to bed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/17/rick-warren-obama-invocat_n_151877.html

This is from just prior to the Saddleback forum:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/16/the-man-who-will-quiz-the-candidates/

Right-wing Watch on him:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/individuals/rick-warren

[MrFun]

I'd like to google Rev. Wright to see if TCO is correct in that Obama has chosen him now, and changed his mind about Rev. Warren.

But I probably need Wright's full name first.

[DRoseDARs]

TCO was making a joke, you boob.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Look, as I can't find the quotes about groups going to Hell and women in faith leadership I'm looking for, I'm willing to let them go as hearsay until I can find the actual quotes, but his positions on abortion and gays is not something that's well-hidden. He's against stem-cell research, abortion, has supported Ugandan efforts to maintain illegality for homosexuality, and against gay marriage/unions. Maybe MrFun will have better luck find the more unseemly comments this guy has made about people other than gays (hint hint, MrFun).

Opposing abortion

The only truly objectionable piece of that paragraph is that he supports keeping homosexuality illegal in Uganda. Which is pretty bad, but to invoke people like Falwell and Phelps (who even the most rabid, conservative preachers say is a nut, so you are disingenuous from the beginning for invoking his name) is just absurd.

Yes, he is conservative on social issues. Yes you, and I, and others disagree with him on some issues. But calling him some evil bigot is just ridiculous.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
TCO was making a joke, you boob.

So Obama is sticking with Warren.

I wonder what his administrative office appointees who happen to be gay think of this.


And now I've just remembered who Rev. Wright is. The insane black reverend whom Obama was formerly associated with.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by OzzyKP


Opposing abortion

The only truly objectionable piece of that paragraph is that he supports keeping homosexuality illegal in Uganda. Which is pretty bad, but to invoke people like Falwell and Phelps (who even the most rabid, conservative preachers say is a nut, so you are disingenuous from the beginning for invoking his name) is just absurd.

Yes, he is conservative on social issues. Yes you, and I, and others disagree with him on some issues. But calling him some evil bigot is just ridiculous.

Supporting thiings like Prop. 8 IS bigoted.

[RGBVideo]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
This is the first time I've ever heard the term "Evangelical Left"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology , mainstream since 80s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_left , mainstream since ~2004