I think the childless should be taxed

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Kidicious


- wiki

That's not 1/3 every twenty years. It's about half that. And Japans TFR is less than 1.4

That's also not taking into account increases in life expectancy and timing of population growth. You can't say "population drop by X in this span" because "TFR drop"; you would have to talk about a lot more complex situation than that. A TFR drop today affects the population over the next 70 years, not today.

[DanQ]

Tax the childless? I disagree.

There are many reasons for people not to have children, at least not until into their late 20s and early 30s. I am 27 and I have no children. Why? A primary reason is that I have not yet been able to secure full-time employment. I want to be a father but I'm not about to help bring any children into this world when I cannot financially afford them.

Then there are those who want children and could support them but are unable to have them i.e. for medical reasons.

[Heresson]

I was thinking of this too

[Ben Kenobi]

DanQ:

I'd rather see tax breaks for families for that very reason, as superior to raising taxes on folks who are childless.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by snoopy369


That's also not taking into account increases in life expectancy and timing of population growth. You can't say "population drop by X in this span" because "TFR drop"; you would have to talk about a lot more complex situation than that. A TFR drop today affects the population over the next 70 years, not today.

http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/handbook/c02cont.htm

[Kidlicious]

I do have to say that I like to get my EITC but really people without kids should get just as much. That's only fair.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Human society is not natural, except for maybe primative society.

Nonsense, humans have never stopped being a part of nature.

[Heraclitus]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I think the childless should be taxed

Originally posted by Kidicious


Well braniac. When do you project the labor force to reach zero? When is that suppose to happen exactly.

Hey the notion isn't as rediculus as you claim it to be, humans have shown a distrubing tendency to reproduce less the better they do, there is actually a theory that demographic decline is a one of the possible solutions for the Fermi paradox.


But this isn't what I was really saying, I was saying that the labour force to do this on a large scale will be unavailable, unless by central planning = Great Leap forward in your mind. If you remove people from essential jobs then completing the party's pet projects is no biggie, just costs a few million lives.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by GePap
The solution for Europe and Japan is much simpler than new taxes:

IMMIGRATION.

That is why the US continues to grow as it does. Let people from the third world move to Europe and once there they would have more kids, and the populations of European states grow, while at the same time not increasing the overall human population.

I have no problem with this as long as they are of a similar culture.



I wonder in the late 19th and early 20th century millions of Europeans left for the US. Why can't we do the opposite now? Why can Europe become a destination for mass immigration from Latin America?

We could even strike a deal with the US, we'd pay you for your illegal immigrants.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Lancer
Europe should allow 10 million young, catholic, hard working Philippine people in. They don't blow stuff up, they're family oriented,(don't get in trouble) pay their taxes and they make kids and need the work.

The US should do the same, starting with my wife's cousin.

Again I have no problem with this!


I have no problem with Subsaharan Africans or African Whites (they are hated in Africa anyway so the best things, as unfair as it may be to them, for them to do is leave their homes) from coming to Europe.


I'm no racist by any definition of the word, but Kid and a few other commies try to paint me as such when they run out of arguments.


But the problem is that 10 million Philippine people will only last us a year.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Heresson
I was thinking of this too

How can you tax the unemployed?


In any case sterile people can adopt kids.

[Heraclitus]

Actually I've just come to a brilliant solution! It reduces global population even more than letting immigrants into Europe!


Build robots! Lots of them! Automate everything, throw money into AI development use cybernetics to extend human life-spans and voila you have a happy full functional human/cyborg/robot society! Once we had human level AI we could grant them full citizenship and rights! What a glorious sight that would be!


By not letting immigrants in, we ensure that they have less kids than they would in the first generation and by using artificial replacements we can stop all natalist policy, in fact the brith rate could drop below one.

But in order to do fund this we would need to completely cut off imports from developing countries whose cheap labour force trumps advanced tech. Sure they would suffer a hit, but hey maybe an economic collapse would reduce population. Also a robot army becomes a possilbity with such an advanced system. Space colonization becomes simpler since you can have teleoperated mines on the Moon, ect.

I knew there had to be a simple solution!

[notyoueither]

This thread reminds me of people who don't want to pay school taxes since they do not have kids.

Still, it would be more political to tax all more and rebate to those with children.

Except for Hera. He's just nuts.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by DanQ
Tax the childless? I disagree.

There are many reasons for people not to have children, at least not until into their late 20s and early 30s. I am 27 and I have no children. Why? A primary reason is that I have not yet been able to secure full-time employment. I want to be a father but I'm not about to help bring any children into this world when I cannot financially afford them.

Then there are those who want children and could support them but are unable to have them i.e. for medical reasons.

We already tax everyone to support the aged.

Many of those who pay the taxes to support social programs will never use them, and will not live long enough to draw any sort of pension.

Neither life nor taxation is entirely fair.

[Jon Miller]

Robots are always th answer.

JM
(and nuclear weapons)