Hey onodera, is North Ossetia independent yet?
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Originally posted by MOBIUS
Hey onodera, is North Ossetia independent yet?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Should I comment on how irrelevant this is?
Its relevance is that it exposes this statement of yours look like utter hypocrisy:
4.) How absolultey ridiculous does Russia look keeping baby food and diapers away from a civilian populous it is illegally occupying?
Honestly Serb, are you done looking like an idiot yet?
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Originally posted by PLATO
The leader of South Ossetia's separatist government, Eduard Kokoity, said he would ask Moscow to set up a military base on his territory.
Russia setting up a permanent military base inside the internationally recognized boarders of Georgia against the wishes of the Georgian government.
WTF are those idiots thinking?If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Originally posted by PLATO
Russia setting up a permanent military base inside the internationally recognized boarders of Georgia
'internationally recognized" is just that, a bunch of opinions.
Not that anyone but Russia will likely recognioze South Ossetian independence, but then it really doesn;t matter.
Just look at Kosovo:
Only 46 of 192 states recognize its independence. So if the US were to set up a base there without Serbian agreement, is that enfringing on the "internationally recognized" soil of Serbia?
And interestingly enough:
Georgia does not recognize Kosovo:
Foreign Minister of Georgia, David Bakradze, said on 18 February 2008 that Tbilisi would not recognise Kosovo's independence, adding: "I think everyone in Georgia, regardless of political orientation, is unanimous on this".[138][139][140] On 9 May 2008 President of Georgia, Mikhail Saakashvili, said "We are saying loud and clear that we have never planned to recognise Kosovo. Nor do we plan to do so in the future. The way out of the situation that has been chosen is not the best one. The Serbs should have been given more time for negotiations. The solution for Kosovo was a hasty one."[141] On 29 March 2008 the Prime Minister, Lado Gurgenidze, gave a recorded interview in Estonia, in which he clearly said in English that as Georgia's friends have recognized Kosovo, it is only natural that eventually Georgia will do likewise. The printed publication of the interview elicited demands by the opposition to impeach him, and the government spokesman stated that the Prime Minister was misinterpreted, after which the Estonian paper Postimees, which conducted and printed the interview, released the audio to the world.
My guess is that the Georgians recognize that agreeing to Kosovo's independence would bring up question about Abkhazia and S. Ossetia, the same issues that the Russians seem hell bent on stuffing down Georgia's throat.Last edited by GePap; August 26, 2008, 22:02.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Originally posted by rah
Let's call it what it is.
GREAT PR for US troops. Something to offset all the usual negatives.
When Katrina left the gulf coast a shambles, Canada sent a destroyer loaded with lumber and other relief supplies. It was a good, fast means of transport, and crew were lent to quick fix-it jobs to help people out.(\__/)
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Originally posted by GePap
Also, obviously Russia no longer considers that area part of Georgia, and as a UNSC permanent member, it can block any international attempt to do anything about it.
'internationally recognized" is just that, a bunch of opinions.
Not that anyone but Russia will likely recognioze South Ossetian independence, but then it really doesn;t matter.
It's not like they don't have precedent with other governments doing whatever they want without regard for world opinion when they really want to. And no, that's not just the Yanks.(\__/)
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Originally posted by GePap
Also, obviously Russia no longer considers that area part of Georgia, and as a UNSC permanent member, it can block any international attempt to do anything about it.
Can you give me the link to the resolution that did the same for Kosovo and Serbia?"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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Originally posted by PLATO
Uhh...just so you know. Russia voted for the binding UNSC resolution recognizing South Ossetia as being within the soverign boarders of Georgia. Oh..and that does carry the power of iternational law.
Can you give me the link to the resolution that did the same for Kosovo and Serbia?
On 18 February 2008 the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia declared Kosovo's declaration of independence as null and void per the suggestion of the Government of the Republic of Serbia, after the Constitutional Court of the Republic of Serbia deemed the act illegal arguing it was not in coordination with the UN Charter, the Constitution of Serbia, the Helsinki Final Act, UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (including the previous resolutions) and the Badinter Commission.[8] The Constitution of Serbia in its preamble declares Kosovo is an "integral" part of Serbia with "substantial autonomy".
UN Security Council Resolution 1244 confirms the territorial integrity and sovereignty of then's Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, in its preamble, without any specifications:[9]
“ Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2 ”
—United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, 10 June 1999
In point 11 of the resolution's Decisions, a political process to determine the final status of Kosovo was designated, which would be based on Annex 1,[10] containing the Statement by the Chairman on the conclusion of the meeting of the G-8 Foreign Ministers held at the Petersberg Centre on 6 May 1999, as well as the Rambouillet Accords, according to which the solution has to be a compromise of all the relevant and constituent elements, including territorial integrity of sovereignty of FRY, the Helsinki Final Act, the will of the people of Kosovo and the opinion of other relevant factors.[11]
The Contact Group had issued in 2005 the Guiding Principles upon which the final status of Kosovo shall be decided.[12]If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
So? And now Russia has changed its vote. Who exactly is going to "enforce" this international law? The UN? Wait, I forgot, Russia has a full veto.....
I'm going to remember this the next time you complain about the USA violating international lawIf you don't like reality, change it! me
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Its relevance is that it exposes this statement of yours look like utter hypocrisy"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.
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Originally posted by GePap
So? And now Russia has changed its vote. Who exactly is going to "enforce" this international law? The UN? Wait, I forgot, Russia has a full veto.....
On 18 February 2008 the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia declared Kosovo's declaration of independence as null and void per the suggestion of the Government of the Republic of Serbia, after the Constitutional Court of the Republic of Serbia deemed the act illegal arguing it was not in coordination with the UN Charter, the Constitution of Serbia, the Helsinki Final Act, UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (including the previous resolutions) and the Badinter Commission.[8] The Constitution of Serbia in its preamble declares Kosovo is an "integral" part of Serbia with "substantial autonomy".
UN Security Council Resolution 1244 confirms the territorial integrity and sovereignty of then's Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, in its preamble, without any specifications:[9]
“ Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2 ”
—United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, 10 June 1999
In point 11 of the resolution's Decisions, a political process to determine the final status of Kosovo was designated, which would be based on Annex 1,[10] containing the Statement by the Chairman on the conclusion of the meeting of the G-8 Foreign Ministers held at the Petersberg Centre on 6 May 1999, as well as the Rambouillet Accords, according to which the solution has to be a compromise of all the relevant and constituent elements, including territorial integrity of sovereignty of FRY, the Helsinki Final Act, the will of the people of Kosovo and the opinion of other relevant factors.[11]
The Contact Group had issued in 2005 the Guiding Principles upon which the final status of Kosovo shall be decided.[12]
As far as "And now Russia has changed its vote.". I am sure you know that you cannot go back and change votes on the UNSC. Russia is very unlikely to get any different wording passed as well. I am sure you meant, "Russia has changed its position". This, of course, has no bearing on the standing of the existing resolution.
As far as enforcement, there are a huge range of things the West can do that are well short of military action. The UN, per se, does not have to be envolved. Member states are free to act within the Charter."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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