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[Asher]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I expected you to make this mistake, but hoped you'd think about the logic closely enough to avoid it.

Not sure why you think it's a mistake. The figures I've seen show a 25% growth since 1990. Couldn't be bothered to find any real number from the 80s, and I see you haven't either.

You do realize that Northern Virginia is very dense, continuous suburban sprawl, right?

How many square miles is Northern Virginia compared to Calgary? Come on, don't **** with me.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
According to whom? Your ass?

Statcan doesn't say that.

Statcan doesn't do a census yearly and they also don't count the metro area.

http://www.calgaryeconomicdevelopment.com/liveWorkPlay/Live/demographics.cfm

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Asher
How many square miles is Northern Virginia compared to Calgary? Come on, don't **** with me.

I actually can't find anything quickly that gives NoVA's land area. But it's population is significantly larger than Calgary's, and the way it's more spread out than an inner city allows for even more infrastructure problems for Jaguar to observe.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Asher
Not sure why you think it's a mistake. The figures I've seen show a 25% growth since 1990. Couldn't be bothered to find any real number from the 80s, and I see you haven't either

It's a mistake because you attacked a claim that I didn't make and was very careful to avoid making.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


It's a mistake because you attacked a claim that I didn't make and was very careful to avoid making.

It cites a five-year increase of ~15% for Northern Virginia (from 2000-2005). Compounded over 25 years (that's about how old you are, right?) that's equivalent to what you claim for Calgary.

You took a 5 year increase and extrapolated to 25 years. If that's not what you did, you ****ed up in explaining what you did. If your claim has nothing to do with 25 years, then don't mention it. You also can't possibly think that 5 years of massive growth causes the same infrastructure damage as 25 years of massive. The longer the duration the more behind one falls.

You can't call this one my mistake buddy, its all yours. You have yet to find statistics for the 25 year population growth for Northern Virginia, the closest you've come is extrapolating over 5 years which I pointed out is unacceptable...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


I actually can't find anything quickly that gives NoVA's land area. But it's population is significantly larger than Calgary's, and the way it's more spread out than an inner city allows for even more infrastructure problems for Jaguar to observe.

No, because in Calgary everyone drives to one central place (downtown) which has a couple bridges only right now. The ring road doesn't exist because the ring road would need to go through the land of a Native reservation that borders on Calgary and they've been playing politics for decades about it.

Having a population surge on a far less dense area is better because it doesn't result in all of the "choke point" problems Calgary has due to geography.

[Ben Kenobi]

Statcan doesn't do a census yearly and they also don't count the metro area.

That's an estimate, based on fairies and pixie dust.

[SlowwHand]

Wiki


The population density of Calgary averaged 1360.2 inhabitants per square kilometer (3522.9/sq mi)


Virginia Beach 1,712.8/sq mi (661.3/km²)
As of 2006, the United States Census estimates that there are 2,432,823[4] people in Northern Virginia, around 32% of the state's population.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


That's an estimate, based on fairies and pixie dust.

Stop squirming you spineless little ****. Calgary passed 1 million long ago, the city keeps metrics itself.

You've been ****ing shown to be a liar. You called me a liar because you're too ****ing stupid to do any kind of sensible research yourself. No wonder you went to the arts.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Asher

It cites a five-year increase of ~15% for Northern Virginia (from 2000-2005). Compounded over 25 years (that's about how old you are, right?) that's equivalent to what you claim for Calgary.

You took a 5 year increase and extrapolated to 25 years. If that's not what you did, you ****ed up in explaining what you did.

No, I didn't, and no, I didn't. You misread it. Suck it up.

If your claim has nothing to do with 25 years, then don't mention it.

It does have something to do with 25 years - you were citing a growth rate over a 25-year period, and I was demonstrating that a particular growth rate over a 5-year period was an equivalent rate.

You also can't possibly think that 5 years of massive growth causes the same infrastructure damage as 25 years of massive. The longer the duration the more behind one falls.

For the purposes of that particular point, all I needed to show was that Jaguar had observed comparable growth rates. And I later pointed out that while I didn't have numbers for other periods, NoVA's growth has been pretty continuously high for the past three decades or so.

You can't call this one my mistake buddy, its all yours.

I meticulously avoided making a particular claim. You misread me as making that claim. I'd hoped whatever math education you got in the course of your CS degree taught you to be more precise.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Asher
No, because in Calgary everyone drives to one central place (downtown) which has a couple bridges only right now.

Sounds exactly like the DC metro area.

Having a population surge on a far less dense area is better because it doesn't result in all of the "choke point" problems Calgary has due to geography.

NoVA has a huge problem with "choke points", even outside the actual crossing-the-river bit.

[Ben Kenobi]

Stop squirming you spineless little ****. Calgary passed 1 million long ago, the city keeps metrics itself.

And that stat projects out to 2012. How can they have the final tally before December of this year?

All they've done is taken the high point and project out 10 years. Growth will be less than that.

You've been ****ing shown to be a liar. You called me a liar because you're too ****ing stupid to do any kind of sensible research yourself. No wonder you went to the arts.

I saw that stat and realised it was a projection so I went to the latest census data.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
And that stat projects out to 2012. How can they have the final tally before December of this year?

All they've done is taken the high point and project out 10 years. Growth will be less than that.

Read the ****ing stat.

There's two shading colours. One is ACTUAL recorded levels (historic. up to and including 2007), then after that it is projections (WHICH I AM NOT USING).

I saw that stat and realised it was a projection so I went to the latest census data.

IT IS NOT A PROJECTION. THE NUMBERS IN THE FUTURE ARE PROJECTIONS. THE RECORDED/HISTORICAL ARE NOT PROJECTIONS.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Originally posted by Asher
No, because in Calgary everyone drives to one central place (downtown) which has a couple bridges only right now.

Sounds exactly like the DC metro area.

Having a population surge on a far less dense area is better because it doesn't result in all of the "choke point" problems Calgary has due to geography.

NoVA has a huge problem with "choke points", even outside the actual crossing-the-river bit.

A cursory look at Google Maps shows that there's far less population density in the entirety of "Northern Virginia" than Calgary.

I don't see any native reserves that would prevent roads being built. I see a river which has a lot more bridges built over a lot longer period than Calgary has, which is far less of an issue. I see an area of lots of smaller towns and various counties vs one large monolithic city. I see different problems.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

No, I didn't, and no, I didn't. You misread it. Suck it up.

I don't know what your problem is. I didn't misread.

You took a 5 year growth rate and compared it to the quoted 25 year growth rate for Calgary. The only way to do this is to extrapolate. Do you even realize that?

You didn't compare like metrics, you fudged the numbers until they were like at which point I told you you can't do that.

It does have something to do with 25 years - you were citing a growth rate over a 25-year period, and I was demonstrating that a particular growth rate over a 5-year period was an equivalent rate.

Which, as I said, is completely useless given that you're not accounting for long-term explosive growth which is actually the issue in terms of infrastructure lagging behind.

I meticulously avoided making a particular claim. You misread me as making that claim. I'd hoped whatever math education you got in the course of your CS degree taught you to be more precise.

What the hell -- you just took a 5 year metric and compared it to one over 25 years (as an estimate) then you decided to give me **** for being more precise? You're upset with me because I was being precise, I'm asking for you to find equivalent real numbers rather than relying on projections or extrapolations to make that claim.

I demand precision, you give me ballpark extrapolations then deny you did.