My Stupid State, part eleventy-seven

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I can't believe how freaking obtuse you all are.

At the point where he was given the wafer, it was not a magic cracker. It was the body of Jesus Christ Our Lord. And he put it in his pocket!!!

Clearly, he's going to be prosecuted for unauthorized transportation of hazardous medical waste. Duh.

[Ben Kenobi]

All it says is a 'mass held on campus'.

http://causa-nostrae-laetitiae.blogspot.com/2008/07/student-steals-body-of-christ-from-ucf.html

This confirms that Cook is in fact a Catholic, which changes the picture considerably.

I'm trying to find out what they mean by 'campus mass'.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
I can't believe how freaking obtuse you all are.

At the point where he was given the wafer, it was not a magic cracker. It was the body of Jesus Christ Our Lord. And he put it in his pocket!!!

Clearly, he's going to be prosecuted for unauthorized transportation of hazardous medical waste. Duh.

[Ben Kenobi]

http://www.ccmknights.com/ccmWeb2007/directions.php

Tuberski:

You are correct! Good job.



Everything falls into place now. It all makes sense to me.

[Ben Kenobi]

Felch:

The typical cradle to grave order of sacrements would go something like:

1)Baptism
2)(1st) Confession (~7 years old)
3)(1st) Eucharist (~8 years old)
4)Confirmation (~13 years old)
5)Matrimony or Holy Orders
6)Extreme Unction

I did some looking around, apparently that was a change in 1910, to reverse the order, prior it was no different for the folks who did RCIA, it was Confession/Confirmation/Communion.

Prior to that, in medieval times, they did them all together with infants!

Ages were what I was for them. Confession is tightly linked to the Eucharist because you're supposed to go through with a clean moral slate. They're set at about 7 or 8 years old because that's the age the Church feels children should be able to distinguish between right and wrong.

Confirmation is more of a coming of age ritual, like a bar mitzvah. It's the official adulthood for the Church, e.g. any confirmed male is technically eligible for the papacy.

There's no reason why a child couldn't be confirmed at the age of Reason. As far as I can see, that's the only limitation, in the Latin rite, that you can't be confirmed prior to 7. Beyond that, it's entirely up to the family and the priest.

[DanS]

Anyway, I don't think this guy should be expelled. There are times to stick up for yourself and times to let it slide. This is one of those times to let it slide.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Are you forgetting the fact that he tore up a Koran too?

What are your thoughts about that?

Screw it. It's perfectly with in people's free speech rights to destroy or burn symbols and it harms no one.

[onodera]

They gave the wafer to him, so it was his wafer. Why couldn't he store it for later use?

[Dinner]

Because it makes the religious fanatics angry.

[Theben]

Is someone calling Jesus a cracker?@!

[Dinner]

Originally posted by onodera
They gave the wafer to him, so it was his wafer. Why couldn't he store it for later use?

I hear the reborn Russian Orthodoxed Church has it's own share over zealous converts. Still it is going to be funny when the courts in Florida smack the **** out of these overly fanatical religious people.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
There's no reason why a child couldn't be confirmed at the age of Reason. As far as I can see, that's the only limitation, in the Latin rite, that you can't be confirmed prior to 7. Beyond that, it's entirely up to the family and the priest.

You're right on that. I was talking about what's typical around here. I know somebody from the Pilippines who had them all at the same time as a kid. There the bishop would come around to the parish once every few years and all the kids would get them all together.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


It says that the chapel is on the campus, not that the chapel is the property of the University of Central Florida.

It's private religious space. He doesn't have the right to disrupt the mass under any circumstances.



And anyone can be booted out if they are disruptive, which happened here.



Yes, it's a big issue. No one should take communion unless they are Catholic, and the parish I go to makes that clear to visitors, that they aren't supposed to take communion unless they are confirmed Catholics.

He did two things. One, he disregarded the warning. Even if he was curious, he should not have disregarded the warning.

Two, he disrupted the mass in showing the wafer, "hey I stole a wafer," after being warned that he should not do so.



For his lack of respect of Catholics, and the religious rights of other people.

If he was willing to apologise for the incident, then that would solve this issue.

As for the student who was there who did not take the wafer, I don't understand why the university would expel him, unless it wasn't clear who was involved. You can't be held responsible for something you didn't do.

I find it interesting how you want a carte blanche to criticise everyone else's faith but how dare someone criticise what you consider to be the "divine truth"

[MOBIUS]

BEN KENOBI WTF!!???

Again, no real person could be such a total and utter douchebag loon...

C'mon, own up - whose DL is this?

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Am I the only one that thinks he should be expelled for being stupid?

By that logic, you'd have been expelled from this board a long time ago