My Stupid State, part eleventy-seven

[dannubis]

Religion is poison...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
By that logic, you'd have been expelled from this board a long time ago

I'm sorry but thinking a cracker is a conversation piece to show your friends is a special kind of stupid.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Theben
Is someone calling Jesus a cracker?@!

Nah, I heard Jesus was black

[Patroklos]

No offense Ben, but this calls for a WTF ???

This is Catholic practice, and well known. Many protestants still have a communion, but it is not the same as the Catholic one in a lot of respects.

So someone who stands in the quad, in front of a mosque, and rips up a Koran should be expelled?

If he took the Koran from the church with malicious intent (which is the case in your example) then yes.

The problem here is that this guy, Catholic or not, is known to be an anti-religious programs activist. It is you who is stretching the imagination here to pretend he did not have malicious intent.

As for the bystander, he should not be expelled.

I think an actual practicing confirmed Catholic, who knows the rules of the Church, is a very small minority among American Catholics.

Source?

I used to have one of my old communion wafers. It's long since disintegrated. I was never told I couldn't take one.

It is drilled into you before your first Communion ceremony, and unless you were blind you sure as hell saw that other young children (and unconfirmed adults) do not go to recieve the eucharist but stay in the seats.

You are a liar.

In any event, the point is the STATE OF FLORIDA is punishing someone for not following the rules of a church.

No, they are punishing someone for not respecting the religious and/or property rights of a private organization with permission to use public property. Good on them

If I ran into a Hannaka (sp?) service and blew out the candles I would expect the same. If I ran into a PETA meeting with a dead cat I would expect the same (and I HATE PETA).

That is a serious breach of the First Amendment.

No, its not.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Elok


Where did you hear that? 'Taint so. The RCC is in our eyes heretical (Immaculate Conception, Filioque, infallibility, etc.) and Catholics are NOT allowed to receive; an Orthodox taking Catholic communion is considered to have excommunicated him/herself. There's no problem from the Catholic end since IIRC you consider us merely schismatic, not heretical, but it doesn't matter since we don't agree.

Don't know enough about the actual case to comment--and that source doesn't seem terribly unbiased--but based on what I'm reading, the kid in question should not be expelled. T'other should probably be disciplined but to a much lesser extent than expulsion (and I assume the church will be having a vigorous chat with him over his game of Eucharistic keep-away).

From the RCC's point of view the Churches are in communion.


In any case didn't the pope and the patriarch of Constantinopel retract the excomunication of each other recently?



BTW What is the Orthodox view of Protestants?

Chatolics=Heretics
Protestants=Worse Heretics?

[Felch]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I think an actual practicing confirmed Catholic, who knows the rules of the Church, is a very small minority among American Catholics.

I agree that most Catholics don't know all the rules. But pretty much everybody knows that you're not supposed to do this. After all, even if you don't know the order of precedence for hosting a state dinner, you'd still know not to punch the first lady in her hoo-hah.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The problem here is that this guy, Catholic or not, is known to be an anti-religious programs activist. It is you who is stretching the imagination here to pretend he did not have malicious intent.

So because he doesn't want the school to pay for religious programs means he meant to go in there and steal the wafer, even though he actually IS a Catholic? Talk about stretching the imagination here. Plenty of religious people are for the seperation of church and state because they think the state will have too much influence on the church.

Source?

Just my observation, but I don't think its really a shocking thing to say.

You are a liar.

That's nice... when faced with facts that don't agree with you, call the other person a liar!

If I ran into a PETA meeting with a dead cat I would expect the same

You'd expect to be expelled? Bull****.

[Tuberski]

I think an actual practicing confirmed Catholic, who knows the rules of the Church, is a very small minority among American Catholics.

Source?

His own head? He never said it as fact.

ACK!

[Patroklos]

So because he doesn't want the school to pay for religious programs means he meant to go in there and steal the wafer, even though he actually IS a Catholic? Talk about stretching the imagination here. Plenty of religious people are for the seperation of church and state because they think the state will have too much influence on the church.

And I suppose thats why he tore up a Koran as well

Turn a blind eye if you wish Imran, but it is clear by this kids own words and actions that he had an agenda. As with most child acitivists of all shades, when confronted with actually accepting the consequences of their protests they wither and whine.

That's nice... when faced with facts that don't agree with you, call the other person a liar!

Che presented a fact? Please, do point out his fact relevant to my comment.

Here is a fact for you. To get your first communion you have to go through CCD, and in that all the pertinent rules about communion are explained to you. Thats why younger children don't get comunion, and there is no way you could go to a Catholic church and not recognize this obvious and easily seen reality.

Che indicates that he went through this process specifically tailored to make sure he knew all this (he even kept the stuff).

You'd expect to be expelled? Bull****.

Yes, I would. In fact, I KNOW I would have been expelled.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
From the RCC's point of view the Churches are in communion.


In any case didn't the pope and the patriarch of Constantinopel retract the excomunication of each other recently?

The RCC's perspective doesn't matter if we don't share it. Where did you hear about the retracted excommunication? I'd appreciate it a good deal if you'd point me to a link.

BTW What is the Orthodox view of Protestants?

Chatolics=Heretics
Protestants=Worse Heretics?

I don't know that we call them "worse." We don't distinguish too much, heretics is heretics.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'm sorry but thinking a cracker is a conversation piece to show your friends is a special kind of stupid.

Again, it's not a cracker; it's an actual hunk of Christ's flesh. If that's not a conversation piece, I don't know what is.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Elok
The RCC's perspective doesn't matter if we don't share it.

It does if we get Inquisitive on y'all.

[OzzyKP]

Taking the wafer
Expelling him for it

btw, for Ben, Dan, Felch, etc I've got some communion related questions for y'all. I'm Catholic and am dating a Protestant girl who is rather suspicious about us crazy Papists. The thing that is most problematic for her is the idea, in her view, that Catholics are intolerant and exclusive and refuse to let non-Catholics take communion.

I think she was raised Presbyterian but currently goes to a Disciples of Christ church that has open communion(the one just around the corner, Dan). Her church is very progressive and tolerant and has an openly gay minister, so she feels very put out by Catholics.

So do you guys have tips for what to say to her to calm her fears/concerns about us Catholics? I'm not trying to convert her or anything, just trying to get her to understand and think we're all ok.


Also... when I was looking something up about communion in the Catholic church I found that if you don't believe the wafer is literally the body of Christ you aren't allowed to receive it. I'm a good cafeteria Catholic and think it is just symbolic. (i.e. Jesus understood metaphors better than the Church does). I saw on some website that even though I'm confirmed, have attended mass all my life, etc, I can't receive communion now either.

Thoughts?

[Sandman]

Expulsion? No, death! Death to those who disrespect the Holy Biscuit of Truth!

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Good question.

Ask yourself what would happen if someone were caught spraypainting a synagogue with a swatstika.

Just so we're clear: you believe that taking the wafer that was offered to him and then being naughty with it, is directly equivalent to vandalising other peoples' property in the commision of a hate-crime.

Think that one through before replying. To be honest, I think your very comparison is as offensive to Jews (the Holocaust: about as bad as a misused wafer) as the very taking of the wafer itself- but don't worry, I won't be campaigning for your expulsion.

Not to mention the fact that you Godwned yourself and instantly lost the debate in comparing the fella's acts to that of a Neo-Nazi.

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Am I the only one that thinks he should be expelled for being stupid?

If this stupidity is reflected in his work in class, then sure, absolutely