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In any event, the point is the STATE OF FLORIDA is punishing someone for not following the rules of a church. That is a serious breach of the First Amendment. Furthermore, it's also punishing someone who didn't even break the rules, but was merely sitting there with his friend.
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Imran: Nah, it's just different. Believe me, it's not some legalistic or rules thing.
Let's put it this way. There are tons of confirmed catholics who go to church once a year -- at Easter or Christmas. And nobody has problems like this.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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No, but it's a good idea to have a burial insurance.
Outside the Mosque, no. Inside the Mosque, yes, it would be wrong.
The issue with the wafers is that you have to go in to get them, so it's not a freedom of speech issue.
If everyone who is getting a wafer is putting it in your mouth, it seems pretty obvious that's what you are supposed to do with it.
Same to Kid. Consider yourself told. My parish does it every week, they tell the visitors that they are not permitted to take communion unless they are confirmed Catholics. They can come up for a blessing if they want.I was never told I couldn't take one.
You and Kidicious should have been told, because it's not something that people with no familiarity with the church will understand.
If I take anyone with me, I tell them the whole deal, and that they need to cross their hands over their chest, etc. That's what my friends told me.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Who else does?You missed my point - that isn't something that the catholic church has a patent on - most other christian beliefs think the same.
Anabaptists don't, Anglicans don't, Lutherans don't.
The Protestants believe that the Lord's supper is a symbolic remembrance of the sacrifice of Christ.
The Orthodox do, and they are in communion with the Catholic church, so they can take communion in any Catholic church and vice-versa.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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What about the protestants ?Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Who else does?
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Anglicans most certainly do!Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Please Flying Spaghetti Monster! Come and take them all away! :desire:What?Comment
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They do? The one I used to attend had open communion.Anglicans most certainly do!Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Well they could be like che and never told and took the wafer and no one stopped them.Originally posted by DanS
Imran: Nah, it's just different. Believe me, it's not some legalistic or rules thing.
Let's put it this way. There are tons of confirmed catholics who go to church once a year -- at Easter or Christmas. And nobody has problems like this.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Did che consume it on the spot or did he put it in his pocket?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
They do? The one I used to attend had open communion.
That hardly means we didn't/they don't (as I'm no longer Episcopalian) believe in transubstantiation.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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All but one, which, as I said, I kept for a few years until it fell apart. Might actually still have the dust. For sentimental reasons, I still have all of my confirmation stuff.Originally posted by DanS
Did che consume it on the spot?
Thinking back, however, I'm not sure if that host was consecrated. It's entirely possible it wasn't, and seeing as it happened about 30 years ago, that information is lost to time.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Lutherans believe in consubstantiation, which is considered a Real Presence doctrine. As for Anglicans, some believe in transubstantiation and some consubstantiation. Methodists believe in the Holy Mystery, but take the wafer. Calvinists have a somewhat confused idea of pneumatic presence, ie, that they are not changed in a physical sense, but in a spiritual sense.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Who else does?
Anabaptists don't, Anglicans don't, Lutherans don't.
The Protestants believe that the Lord's supper is a symbolic remembrance of the sacrifice of Christ.
The Orthodox do, and they are in communion with the Catholic church, so they can take communion in any Catholic church and vice-versa.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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I'm just curious as to how this young man could have misunderstood. Nobody in front of him put the wafer in their pocket. And nobody after.
If he's ever been to church, he will have never seen such a thing, even when people don't know the rules. He must be awfully creative.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Thanks Imran.Lutherans believe in consubstantiation, which is considered a Real Presence doctrine. As for Anglicans, some believe in transubstantiation and some consubstantiation. Methodists believe in the Holy Mystery, but take the wafer. Calvinists have a somewhat confused idea of pneumatic presence, ie, that they are not changed in a physical sense, but in a spiritual sense.
I didn't think they were consistant about one or the other. The individual churches are pretty much allowed to do what they want.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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