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[Patroklos]

Che and Kid

Oh the pains of not being able to accept responsibilty for your own failure. Most of us grow out of this in 5th grade

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Aeson


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You are still trying to avoid answering the question:

Is prejudice, based on race, racism?

(And the point is to be correct in your use of terms.)

I answered the question head on. It isn't necessarily. See my answer again for further explaination.

Prejudice based on race is the underlying foundation for all actions based on that racial prejudice. Without that racial prejudice (be it individual or systematic) there would be no "racism" in the context you are trying to restrict it to. (Which itself is a valid use of the term. It just isn't the only valid use of the term.)

You want to ignore the cause of what you term "racism" and focus solely on the symptoms. It is you who are trying to weaken the argument against racism by narrowing the definition in an attempt to try to paint whites as racists, and obfuscate the issue of racism by pretending that minorities cannot be racist. Not to mention your entire premise is itself an example of racism.

See this is why people waste time with you. The symptoms are the REASON to be concerned about racism in the first place. That's why so much has been written about it. Books which you haven't read.

I'm not trying to make racism about attitudes of whites. It already was that. You are trying to change the meaning of the word by making wider what it initially was. And you've failed. You know it, but you persist. It's amazing.

[PLATO]

Good God Kid, How can you be such a f*cking idiot?

Read Books? (which I think is bull$hit, but whatever).

Get your ignorant a$$ somewhere where you can see the results of racism...talk with actual live people who have experienced and continue to experience it (both Black and White I might add).

Until you actually know something (which you definately do NOT), then Shut the **** up.

You are annoying as hell on a subject you actually know nothing whatsoever about.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You are trying to change the meaning of the word by making wider what it initially was.

Stop digging your hole deeper. Racism is prejudice based on race. Everything else comes after that. The damage to individuals and a race of people comes from that initial prejudice and what it makes other people do.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I answered the question head on. It isn't necessarily. See my answer again for further explaination.

"It isn't necessarily"... very "head on" answer.

In the previous post all you did was ask a question about what would be the purpose of calling it racism.

Luckily I got an idea from one of your previous posts and went to Google and serched for "racism" and then followed their link to a definition. I otherwise would never have known that in fact, yes, prejudice based on race is racism. You sly fox, you almost had me convinced it wasn't!

rac·ism (rā'sĭz'əm) pronunciation
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

racist rac'ist adj. & n.

See this is why people waste time with you.

Sorry to waste your time.

The symptoms are the REASON to be concerned about racism in the first place.

Addressing causes is how you prevent symptoms.

That's why so much has been written about it. Books which you haven't read.

Please list the books I have not read. I will be deducting points for books I have not read that you fail to list, so be sure to be thorough!

I'm not trying to make racism about attitudes of whites.

Of course not. You are trying to make racism about attitudes of only whites.

It already was that.

And more!

You are trying to change the meaning of the word by making wider what it initially was.

If by "what it initially was" you mean the incorrect definition that you were using previous to (and during) this discussion, then yes, I am trying to make it wider than "what it initially was" by going back to what it actually means, as per the dictionary definitions.

I appologize for any inconvenience that my referencing reality has caused you.

And you've failed.

At a great many things, it is true.

You know it, but you persist.

I am persistant, that is also true.

It's amazing.

Now you go too far. I wouldn't say my exploits are amazing per se... *blush* But thank you none-the-less!

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Kidicious

So if you did think he was more experienced you wouldn't vote for him becuase he's a member of a black church basically. And that's because you think he's racist. Sorry, but I have to agree with Che here (big suprise huh?) that it's that kind of attitude that has been the real problem.

No, I don't care that he's a member of a black church, its that I care that he's a member of this church in particular. There is a distinction there, between this church and other black churches. I know, I've been to several: one of my best friends in college's father was a preacher and I went with him several times. I also went to church with my freshman roommate once or twice. I've also been to a quite large African American church in indianapolis several times and never experienced anything remotely like this (and there's no way my colleagues, fellow attorneys, would ever take me to a church that might feature a sermon like Wright's). I've been to black churches that didn't feature sermons of white hate.

I said it before in this thread-Oprah recognized the church for what it was and left, I wish Obama would have done the same a year ago when these sermons first hit the news, giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was being truthful when he said he wasn't aware of the comments. Instead he didn't, and he's made excuses and dodges about the church, which I find unfortunate and diminish him as a candidate in my eyes.

[Berzerker]

Is prejudice, based on race, racism?

Can be, depends

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Discrimination or prejudice based on (fill in the blank)... Race is just one of many categories...

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Can be, depends

So in what instances is prejudice based on race not racism?

[Berzerker]

when it aint based on race

[Berzerker]

oops, nevermind, the question got me

poorly phrased

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Aeson


So in what instances is prejudice based on race not racism?

Just like I said, when you make a choice. have a preference. Prejudice is not racism. Racism is named racism for a reason.

[Berzerker]

I'd still say no, prejudice is based on experience and human beings' need to categorize. If I'm attacked by a strange looking creature I'm gonna be leery the next time I see a similar creature. Thats true for people who look different be it skin color, physical size or mannerisms etc. Thats more about fear and survival than a sense of superiority based on race. Like Jesse Jackson said, even he has felt fear walking down an alley occupied by several black males - thats prejudice but it aint racist...

[Aeson]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Just like I said, when you make a choice. have a preference. Prejudice is not racism. Racism is named racism for a reason.

So are you saying holding a prejudice against someone based on their race is not a choice?

[Berzerker]

So are you saying holding a prejudice against someone based on their race is not a choice?

Well, I think fear is pretty hardwired and thats what we're talking about, right? Fear of the unknown takes many forms, and "Us & Them" is a big one. Once we become more familiar with "Them" the prejudice subsides and is replaced by good experiences.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Berzerker
I'd still say no, prejudice is based on experience and human beings' need to categorize. If I'm attacked by a strange looking creature I'm gonna be leery the next time I see a similar creature. Thats true for people who look different be it skin color, physical size or mannerisms etc.

This is a rather different thing than racism. Unless you subscribe to the terribly racist notion that other ethnicities are "strange looking creatures".

To judge people based on race rather than their own personal characteristics is racist.

Thats more about fear and survival than a sense of superiority based on race.

The idea of superiority is part of the other definition of racism I posted. It is not integral to the prejudice definition.

Like Jesse Jackson said, even he has felt fear walking down an alley occupied by several black males - thats prejudice but it aint racist...

It is racist if it is the race of the people that make him feel fear. Would he feel fear walking down an alley occumpied by several males of various other ethnicity?