Primary Thread 3: Race to Denver

[Zkribbler]

"And if George McGovern is elected President, we won't have Gestopo tactics in the streets of Chicago!"

[snoopy369]

Hillary finally was announced to have won the (Feb. 5!!) New Mexico primary ... for all the good it does her (1 delegate).

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Hillary finally was announced to have won the (Feb. 5!!) New Mexico primary ... for all the good it does her (1 delegate).

New Mexico is so screwy.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui




New Mexico is so screwy.

I like their don't give a ****, count the votes whenever, it's doesn't really matter attitude.

[Dinner]

Clinton's Campaign Chief Endorses Obama

Bill's that is.

Bill Clinton Campaign Chief Backs Obama
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Posted: 2008-02-13 17:08:28
COLUMBUS, Ohio (Feb. 13) - Bill Clinton's former campaign manager endorsed Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday, saying he hopes to use his influence in the Democratic Party to persuade more of the party establishment to back the surging Obama.

David Wilheml
DNC

David Wilhelm served as chairman of the Democratic National Committee during the presidential administration of Bill Clinton.
David Wilhelm, an Ohio native who led Clinton's campaign in 1992 and later became chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said Obama had the unique ability to encourage cooperation as a "65-percent president" after the divisive years of a "51-percent" majority. He was referring to his belief that Obama could govern the country with the support of a large coalition, as opposed to more polarized support for President Bush.

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The endorsement was one small victory for Obama because Wilhelm is a superdelegate from Illinois, one of the party officials or elected officials who can vote however they choose at the nominating convention. Obama took the lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in pledged delegates after sweeping Tuesday's contests in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia.

But Clinton still holds a wide lead among Democratic superdelegates, who could decide the nomination if Clinton and Obama split the pledged delegates from primaries and caucuses around the country.

The Clinton campaign on Wednesday sent out a list of 100 Ohio community leaders and elected officials - some of whom are superdelegates - who have endorsed her candidacy.

Turning superdelegates over to Obama will be a crucial role for Wilhelm in the Obama campaign, he said.



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"The only reason this race appears to be closer than it actually is is the number of superdelegates that bought into Sen. Clinton's inevitability early - too early, it seems," said Wilhelm, who lives in the Columbus suburb of Bexley.

The Clinton campaign predicted Wednesday it would be in a virtual tie with Obama in delegates after March 4 primaries in Ohio, Texas, Vermont and Rhode Island, separated by no more than 25 delegates.

Wilhelm said the Democrats could never win a contest about experience over Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, but could win - with Obama - an election that was framed around change.

Clinton chief strategist Mark Penn said it is not unusual for competitive nomination races to seesaw between the leading candidates.

Ohio is the kind of state "with the economic issues and problems where Sen. Clinton offers the right solutions for our future," he said.

http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/bill-clinton-campaign-chief-backs-obama/20080213135609990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The connection is about the disconnect of what is being said and what is actually going on. "I am an individual" said all together is funny because they are acting communally. "Yes we can" is frightening (not playing for jokes) because it is for the exoneration of the prophet Obama.

So when the United Farm Workers chanted "Si se puede," it was frightening because it was the exoneration of the prophet Chavez? Those farm workers clearly were "mindless zombie dittoheads."

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm not exactly a fan of Cesar Chavez... and all the stuff that has been named after him seems to indicate at least some aspects of a CoP.

[snoopy369]

Do you define 'cult of personality' as 'anybody who was remotely popular'? That list was maybe 20 or 30 things for the most significant figure in the Latino labor movement. That's a pretty pathetic list IMO... I mean, schools and roads? Oliver Wendell Holmes has a school or three named after him, does he have a cult of personality?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I would think naming major streets after a person is quite significant. It seems to indicate adulation of a public figure as dictionary.com defines the term CoP (cult promoting adulation of a ... public figure).

[Ramo]

Oh, I see where you're coming from. A popular politician that you don't like is defined to be a cultist...

Let's be honest, if Obama loses this nomination, you think this "movement" lasts even a month after he leaves the race?

To a far greater extent than Clinton's following (or McCain's following, for that matter). It has directly empowered large numbers of people who will be active in Democratic politics for a long time. Just because you weren't a part of it doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

At least McCainites chant "Jack is back" at handful of times and don't use it to signal "Amen" to the pronouncements of the candidate.

"Jack is back" is explicitly about McCain. Yes, we can is explicitly about communal empowerment. One should reach exactly the opposite conlusion that you've come up with.

[Ramo]

I would think naming major streets after a person is quite significant. It seems to indicate adulation of a public figure as dictionary.com defines the term CoP (cult promoting adulation of a ... public figure).

You've truly descended into parody. Any person of any significance is defined to be leading a nefarious cult of personality.

[Imran Siddiqui]

To a far greater extent than Clinton's following (or McCain's following, for that matter). It has directly empowered large numbers of people who will be active in Democratic politics for a long time.

Like Howard Dean was supposed to have done so? I don't think so. The "movement" will peter out if Obama loses the nomination. It'll stay a bit longer if he loses the general (maybe a year or so), and a few years more if he wins the election. Of course, when some realize he isn't able to (and won't) dismantle the lobbyist culture of D.C., I think some of that will fall away.

"Jack is back" is explicitly about McCain. Yes, we can is explicitly about communal empowerment. One should reach exactly the opposite conlusion that you've come up with.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeah. Communal empowerment... so was Communism, but no one thinks Marx was just some guy in the "movement". It is weird how this communal empowerment seems to really just need one guy. What, to show them "the light?".

[Dinner]

It seems a good deal of the Republican world is also falling in love with Obama. One of McCain's top advisors has publically stated he'd resign if it came down to a McCain vs Obama campaign because he doesn't want to be part of a smear campaign against Obama. New JFK indeed.

McCain Adviser Won't Fight Obama
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February 13, 2008 6:48 PM

ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: On Wednesday, a top adviser to John McCain said more definitively than he has in the past that he will step down from the Arizona senator's presidential campaign if the presumed GOP nominee faces Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in the general election.

"I would simply be uncomfortable being in a campaign that would be inevitably attacking Barack Obama," said McCain adviser Mark McKinnon in an interview with NPR's "All Things Considered." "I think it would be uncomfortable for me, and I think it would be bad for the McCain campaign."

McKinnon, who was a Democrat before serving as President Bush's ad maker in 2000 and 2004, said that he plans to be behind McCain "100 percent" no matter who the Democratic nominee is. He explained, however, that if the Democrats nominate Obama, he will be supporting McCain "from the sidelines."

While saying that he does not agree with Obama on every issue, McKinnon gushed about the Illinois Democrat.

"I met Barack Obama, I read his book, I like him a great deal," said McKinnon. "I disagree with him on very fundamental issues. But I think, as I said, I think it would a great race for the country."

http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/bill-clinton-campaign-chief-backs-obama/20080213135609990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Ramo

I would think naming major streets after a person is quite significant. It seems to indicate adulation of a public figure as dictionary.com defines the term CoP (cult promoting adulation of a ... public figure).

You've truly descended into parody. Any person of any significance is defined to be leading a nefarious cult of personality.

How many non-politicians have major thoroughfares named after them?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Oerdin
It seems a good deal of the Republican world is also falling in love with Obama. One of McCain's top advisors has publically stated he'd resign if it came down to a McCain vs Obama campaign because he doesn't want to be part of a smear campaign against Obama. New JFK indeed.

You missed the part where McKinnon was a Democrat who worked on Bush's ad campaign in 2000 and 2004. Maybe Dubya was the actual new JFK... take Dems with him .