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  • #76
    okay, would we tell the Chinese we knew or didn't know about their sub regardless of whether or not we knew about it?

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    • #77
      okay, would we tell the Chinese we knew or didn't know about their sub regardless of whether or not we knew about it?
      No, we wouldn't.
      "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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      • #78
        Lol, submarines.

        Their missiles will take out our carriers before their subs even get out of port.
        VANGUARD

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        • #79
          Their missiles will take out our carriers before their subs even get out of port.


          What missiles would those be?
          "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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          • #80
            He may be referring to China's nuclear missiles (?). Current estimates for China's long range ICBM force range from 8 to about 20, which is quite small. Then again, China has officially adopted a "no first strike" policy wrt nuclear arms, so assuming they stick with this, such a situation is extremely unlikely.

            Unless of course the US has already launched some of its own, in which case any strategic game theory here will likely break down very quickly.
            "lol internet" ~ AAHZ

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            • #81
              eh, if China first strikes the US, not to mention a scenario where our carriers are still in port, those carriers will be the least of China's worries.
              "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Patroklos
                eh, if China first strikes the US, not to mention a scenario where our carriers are still in port, those carriers will be the least of China's worries.
                My point exactly.
                "lol internet" ~ AAHZ

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                • #83
                  Based on reading the article alone, it's my thought that China doesn't do itself any tactical or strategic favors when it blows satellites out of orbit and sends one of its submarines into the middle of a U.S. battle group.

                  Yes, they're sending a message, but they're also blowing their cover. China wishes to be seen as a great power. Fine and dandy by me, because doing shtick like this will make other nations take them seriously sooner than they otherwise might have.

                  So, China, be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.

                  Gatekeeper
                  "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                  "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                  • #84
                    Heh, well, thats one way of putting it. I see it as China participating it stupid PR stunts that won't fool anyone in the know, just sap armchair generals.

                    Sooooo, net for China?

                    1.) Anyone who has any relevant opinion still knows China's hardware is crap.

                    2.) Everyone who doesn't have a relevant opinon will now demand we spend money on new hardware/training anyway because they don't know China's hardware is crap.

                    Us, win win. China, lose lose.
                    Last edited by Patroklos; November 14, 2007, 11:21.
                    "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                    • #85
                      But doesn't china build it for us?

                      Or this could be sorta like the USSR/US thing, but freindlier?

                      JM
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                      • #86
                        Friendlier? Why?
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #87
                          Pentagon to Congress: May we please have more Seawolfs to play with?
                          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                          • #88
                            Pentagon to Congress: May we please have more Seawolfs to play with?


                            Note: Seawolf, Another piece of 80's technology that still pawns the best China has.

                            Virginias
                            "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                            • #89
                              So, wanna talk about how many billions China will have to spend in US treasure bonds to keep the USD afloat ?

                              Because it is still your economy and nothing else that keeps that piece of 80ies technology afloat
                              "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                                Friendlier? Why?
                                Instead of trying to kill you with radiation poisoning they're trying to sneak tiny amounts of lead and date rape drug into your country.

                                The lead I don't like. But the other can be kind of fun.

                                I had a roommate who tried to lock himself into a bathroom and take a certain drug and see if he woke up pregnant.

                                He didn't.
                                "lol internet" ~ AAHZ

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