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  • #46
    useless for modern warfare. You seemed to have overlooked that part.

    But then I suppose it depends on what you consider modern. I personally don't think bombing sheep herders to be a prime example.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Kuciwalker
      See the F-117 shootdown during the Kosovo War.
      And even further back to the U2 that was shot down.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by snoopy369
        I want to know why we didn't sink it... a submarine close enough to hit our carrier should bloody well be sunk, or at least boarded. You don't know what some rogue Chinese agent might do with a ship (or rogue Al Qaeda agent)...
        It's called peace. You speak about war.
        Blah

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        • #49
          Yeah, postures like that get you incidents like this.

          And even though in this case it wasn't a civilian ship, the 60 crewmembers of the ship are innocent people too. Outside of wartime, their deaths should be mourned (and more to the point, avoided) as much as civilians'.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Theben
            useless for modern warfare. You seemed to have overlooked that part.

            But then I suppose it depends on what you consider modern.
            That's exactly my point. Modern warfare is not between modern nations.
            Last edited by Darius871; November 11, 2007, 13:18.
            Unbelievable!

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            • #51
              Originally posted by snoopy369
              I want to know why we didn't sink it... a submarine close enough to hit our carrier should bloody well be sunk, or at least boarded. You don't know what some rogue Chinese agent might do with a ship (or rogue Al Qaeda agent)...
              Why? The US does the same kind of thing all the time? And Russian also fly their bombers over ships. It's games.
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              • #52
                Silly games
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                AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
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                DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Darius871


                  That's exactly my point. Modern warfare is not between modern nations.
                  That's only a temporary arangement, belive me.
                  Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.â€
                  The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                  The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by BeBro
                    It's called peace. You speak about war.
                    That precedent has already been set by the Chinese themselves, BeBro.
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                    • #55
                      When did that start attacking our ships?

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                      • #56
                        In early '01, when they sent a suicide plane against one.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #57


                          As an intelligent poster on CFC said, "I could make a layup run against Shaq while he is reading his paper at the bus stop, that speaks nothing of me being able to do the same on the court at game time."

                          For the arm chair generals here, when a ship is transiting in condition III streaming, in open water, in peace time, in an area with no realistic threat (read everywhere except NK and 5th fleet), during a normal transit it would be odd if the ships were looking for submarine threats at all. Why would we?

                          During Atlantic transits we didn't man sonar for ASW at all, just one dude to make sure the dome wasn't flooding and to watch for navigation hazards.

                          This is just one big PR stunt that is only a PR stunt because most people have a video game understanding about real world military operations.

                          But, food for thought, assuming we did detect a Chinese submarine transiting international waters near our battlegroup, what could we have done about it anyway? Sink it? Do you guys realize that Iranian P3s buzz our warships everyday in the Gulf? Sure we could shoot them down, but what right do we have to do so in international air/sea space?FACT. We are not at war with China or Iran, they can come as close to us as they want while following normal maritime rules of the road.

                          And if we did detect it, why would we tell anyone and let China know we can see their submarines at will? Not saying thats what happens, but think about it.

                          Same for China. If China really had pulled off something as amazing as defeating a fully operating ASW screen why would they reveal this extremely advantageous capability to their enemy?

                          Cheap PR stunt, nothing special. It is interesting to note who jumped on it though to their shame.
                          Last edited by Patroklos; November 11, 2007, 19:18.
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                          • #58
                            OK, I seem to be pwnt based on Pat's post here and IM conversation.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #59
                              This means China could pearl harbor us though.. isn't that a bad thing?

                              JM
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                              • #60
                                Pearl Harbor all of our carriers distributed across the globe?

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