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  • Chinese sub plays Marco Polo with US Navy battle fleet... and wins.

    Well isn't this comforting...

    American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board


    The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
    By MATTHEW HICKLEY 00:13am on 10th November 2007

    When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

    At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

    That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

    American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

    By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

    According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

    The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

    One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

    The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

    The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.

    And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.

    According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

    It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.

    Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".

    The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.

    Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.

    Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.

    He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.

    "It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."

    In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.
    The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

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  • #2
    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
    "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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    • #3
      THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
      AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
      AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
      DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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      • #4
        Good. I suppose now they'll return to the on-going project of feeding their people and lowering illiteracy rates to about the Tanzanian level.

        Oh, the Moon. Right.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Winston
          Good. I suppose now they'll return to the on-going project of feeding their people and lowering illiteracy rates to about the Tanzanian level.

          Oh, the Moon. Right.
          Are you talking about the Chinese or the Americans?
          "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
          "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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          • #6
            I'm surprised that they were surprised - they are similar stories flying around from time to time how modern NATO/other conventional subs made it through the defense screen of USN carriers in exercises. Were they just assuming the Chinese can't pull off the same?
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            • #7
              This is the Tiawan Strait which we have been plowing through it over and over to intimidate the Chinesse, they probably just parked the sub in our usual path with the engines off and wait for the fleet to pass over head and just float to the surface. Theirs no sound to detect what so ever in that kind of senario and its a logical defense if you know your enemy is going to come through a particular piece of water. I'm sure the Chinesse planned all this very carfully and deliberatly to counter-intimidate us or at the least shake our confidence. I don't dout they were prepared to lose the sub in question should we be trigger happy and blow it out of the water just to see how close it got before being blown up.
              Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators, the creator seeks - those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. - Thus spoke Zarathustra, Fredrick Nietzsche

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Wezil


                Are you talking about the Chinese or the Americans?
                THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
                  Theirs no sound to detect what so ever in that kind of senario and its a logical defense if you know your enemy is going to come through a particular piece of water.
                  Well, what about active detection then? They can't just rely on passive sensors for everything.
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                  • #10
                    Good question, its aparent that Active detection either wasn't being used (unlikley) or that is simply not as good as the Passive detection system. Active dose reveal your location so it use is frowned upon. Its also possible that the sub was detectived but misinterprited or ignored.
                    Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators, the creator seeks - those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. - Thus spoke Zarathustra, Fredrick Nietzsche

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                    • #11
                      I am sure there will be another 100bn in next budget to remedy the situation, which will be borrowed from the Chineze
                      Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
                        counter-intimidate
                        Mr. President! We cannot leave this intimidation-gap unchecked.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LordShiva



                          Hey its a valid question!
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                          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
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                          • #14
                            They missed the perfect chance to capture it.
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                            • #15
                              The Pentagon fabricated this entire leak to lull the Chinese into a false sense of security.

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