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  • #76
    Originally posted by Patroklos
    If your trying to grind an axe, maybe that could explain how you came up with that.
    Maybe, but in actuality I was presuming the lack of understanding b/c of my location and lack of cultural knowledge you seem to imply. Hence I asked about southern blacks. They live there (share the same culture) but apparently do not fly the flag.

    It was serious question, the answer to which apparently strikes at an uncomfortable (for you) truth.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Patroklos
      You would be suprised. Just like Northerners are when they come here and find out blacks and whites don't live in opposing fortified concrete bunkers on either side of no mans land.

      Your perceptions are rather funny actually. In the end, I could really care less about what Yanks think about the flag, or anything else that is none of their business.
      That's funny, since I was born in Alabama and lived half my life in Tennessee.

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      • #78
        Danish flag is very old, from the Middle Ages.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by lord of the mark
          that asher pops into a long thread about the CSA, the south, flags, race, states rights, etc, etc, and all he can pull out of it is that I mentioned Jews once.

          And he will likely then accuse ME of being obsessed.
          Well, I suppose you do have a point. Jews do go hand in hand with Confederate flags in Poland...
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          • #80
            Originally posted by DinoDoc
            FWIW, the issue was put up for a vote in MS and the majority of voters decided to keep the flag we had.
            So? I bet a "majority" would have voted for slavery a couple hundred years ago.

            What was the black vote?
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Kuciwalker
              That's funny, since I was born in Alabama and lived half my life in Tennessee.
              And still live in VA. The heart of the Confederacy.
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              • #82
                surprisingly few really old flags there. German republican flag dates to 1848 (And was the official flag only under weimar and then after 1947), french flag to 1789, UK flag to act of union, 1707 IIUC.
                Perhaps, but the Battle Flag isn't an official flag. So how about all those regions that have rebeled throughout history? Are their colors banned? What about monarchists, if they are still around in these glorious republics?
                "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                • #83
                  Happily I live in the North now

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Patroklos
                    Perhaps, but the Battle Flag isn't an official flag. So how about all those regions that have rebeled throughout history? Are their colors banned? What about monarchists, if they are still around in these glorious republics?
                    The CSA's raison d'etre was the institution of slavery.

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                    • #85
                      It was serious question, the answer to which apparently strikes at an uncomfortable (for you) truth.
                      I just assumed your were being an ass, sorry, but I have never seen anyone make bones over its display that was from here. In fact, my black Summerall Guard classmates wore the old insignia with the flag on their blazer jackets.
                      "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Arrian


                        As I'm sure you're aware, the E.P. "freed" slaves in territory under the control of the CSA.
                        actually IIRC correctly from McPherson, there was some ambguity as to the EPs effect on slavery in portions of seceded states already under control of union armies. In fact slavery was largely already in dissolution in such places as blacks fled to the northern armies, and IIUC after the EP it was the rule that they were NOT sent back to their owners. The principle effect of the exclusion was on the border states, and IIUC Delaware (which had started implementing gradual (birth) emancipation before 1860) and Missouri both instituted full empancipation during the war. the only slaves actually freed by the 13th amendment were in Kentucky and Maryland.
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                        • #87
                          Do the other countries even count?
                          "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Asher

                            Well, I suppose you do have a point. Jews do go hand in hand with Confederate flags in Poland...
                            I wasnt the one who changed this to a discussion of what the south had to be proud of.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Patroklos


                              Perhaps, but the Battle Flag isn't an official flag. So how about all those regions that have rebeled throughout history? Are their colors banned? What about monarchists, if they are still around in these glorious republics?
                              Im pretty sure the white flag of the bourbons has been banned at various points in French history. Its not a big deal now, but then not many French people fly it. Basically no one cares.
                              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Wezil
                                So? I bet a "majority" would have voted for slavery a couple hundred years ago.
                                What? You are aware that non-whites, poor whites and females gained the right to vote sometime ago, right?
                                What was the black vote?
                                I dunno. I can provide a mostly complete county by county breakdown of the vote but I'm not sure how to find how many black people voted and in what way.
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                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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