Evil Estonians Crack Down on Helpless Russian Minority

[Solver]

They are just looking for an excuse to riot, prompted by the Russian government. The point is, why give them that excuse?

Should a government back off from doing something that most of the population and most of the government itself supports because that's going to cause riots among another portion of the population?

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Oerdin
While they're at it make all those Russians learn to speak the national language.

Fascism

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Asmodean
LordShiva in 3, 2, 1.....

Serb

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[Pekka]

This never was about the statue.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Solver

They are just looking for an excuse to riot, prompted by the Russian government. The point is, why give them that excuse?

Should a government back off from doing something that most of the population and most of the government itself supports because that's going to cause riots among another portion of the population?

Many times yes.

[Solver]

Well, then it's no longer a democracy as in the rule of majority. Riots are usually caused by a minority - if the government backs off at the threat of riots, then it's catering to the minority.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Solver
Well, then it's no longer a democracy as in the rule of majority.

Alternatively, it's no longer a tyranny of the majority.

[Solver]

Democracy IS a tyranny of the majority. It definitely sucks as a form of government... but it's not like we've come up with anything better.

[LordShiva]

True, but many have managed to incorporate safeguards that mitigate the ill-effects to some degree. Sounds like the Russian minority in Estonia benefit from some.

[Solver]

It's really just a classic example of a polarized society. Latvia has the same, lucky Lithuanians have it to a much lesser degree. The minority, in these countries, is extremely opposed to the views and the decisions of the majority... hence some of the problems.

Hey, at least, when thinking about the Republican-Democrat "polarization" in the USA, I can laugh at how it's not really so polarized

[Saras]

Originally posted by BeBro
One could argue that the monument itself was distorting history in the first place since it reflects the [strikeout]official soviet [/strikeout] current Russian propaganda line which just wiped out any "unpleasant" aspects of soviet rule in the Baltics.

CFT.

[Pekka]

It's a battle of two different discourses, of course my opinion is that there is a story that is more truthful to the history, because we have to look at this from the Estonian point of view. What happened to them during that war? A lot of people around Estonia and in Estonia know what happened.

And we also know, that this is not the real issue, there was going to be words thrown around anyway, even if tehre was no statue to begin with. It's not about the statue and if it was, respectfully move it somewhere else and make sure if there's bodies buried, that they will be handled properly and with respect. That is all, and everyone else can **** off.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Pekka
It's a battle of two different discourses, of course my opinion is that there is a story that is more truthful to the history, because we have to look at this from the Estonian point of view. What happened to them during that war? A lot of people around Estonia and in Estonia know what happened.

And we also know, that this is not the real issue, there was going to be words thrown around anyway, even if tehre was no statue to begin with. It's not about the statue and if it was, respectfully move it somewhere else and make sure if there's bodies buried, that they will be handled properly and with respect. That is all, and everyone else can **** off.

No pekka, it's a battle of law, order & civility vs FSB financed and incited fifth column breaking shop windows (many owned by a listed Lithuanian company ).

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Jarouik


So you think the riots were "debate"? I think debate is what we are doing, and nobody is suppressing that.

Don't be stupid - of course not.

[Jaakko]

Originally posted by Saras


No pekka, it's a battle of law, order & civility vs FSB financed and incited fifth column breaking shop windows (many owned by a listed Lithuanian company ).

Lollers, someone is quoting a propaganda pamphlet.