The College Football Thread 2006

[Eroberer]

I essentially agree with snoopy. Since these guys aren't getting paid, I'd hate to see a playoff system adding more games, and more unnecessary chances of getting critically injured. Generally speaking, there are only 2-4 teams who are worthy of a championship game appearance anyways. Plus I love bowl games, just like snoopy said.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by snoopy369


Anyway, the gripes would remain, JUST as they remain in the grandaddy of playoffs, NCAA Basketball. They somehow manage to gripe about who #66 and #67 should have been... (well, what, #40 or so when you ignore the bottom 20something auto bids?) They'd just extend to the #17 team.

And wouldn't it be nice if we were griping about who should have been #17 as opposed to who was #1. That's like arguing about "Whos is gong to occupy Guam" as opposed to "Who won World War II"

I've never heard a serious discussion about who the "real" National Champion was in basketball. It is the winner of the NCAA tournament (which quite often isn't the #1 ranked team at the end of the season) There's *****ing about the seeding, but there is not a school that has ever claimed they deserved to be champions that didn't make the tourny.

On the other hand, I have seen:

Tons and tons and tons of people get excited about the tourny.

Tons and tons and tons of people get excited about games that, if there were no playoff, no one other than the schools invloved, would even care about. (Does the Motor City Bowl ring a bell here)

So tell me why it is bad to determine the National Champion in NCAA I-A Football in the same fashion that EVERY sport at EVERY level determines it champion?

Is High School football less "pure" than NCAA I-A College football?

Are Harvard and Yale less pure than Miami? (Ivy League teams participate in a playoff to determine the Div I-AA Champion)

I just got back from my son's metro league banquet. His team didn't make the playoffs and thus had no chance at the metro championship or State championship. HE and EVERYONE in the league accepted that.

Is his league less "pure" than NCAA I-A College football because they compete for the championship instead of voting on it?

Are Soccer, Baseball, Hockey, Basketball, all Football (other than I-A NCAA) and every other team sport less "pure" than NCAA I-A football?

Or is NCAA I-A Football the most "diseased" because it uses a combination of votes, computers and competition to determine its champion as opposed to pure commpetition only?

The only other "sports" I can think of that try to determines it's champion in the same way as NCAA I-A football does are Pro Boxing and Big Time Wrestling.

Competitive sports are meant to be decided thru the competitive process. Not thru, votes, feelings, backroom deals, TV ratings or whatever other BS that has nothing to do with the game or the players who give their lives to compete for a championship.

[Drake Tungsten]

Most people aren't going to pay much attention to college basketball until mid-February (at the earliest). A playoff would do the same thing to college football: turn the regular season into an mildly interesting exercise in getting enough wins to qualify for the postseason tournament. Personally, I prefer the exciting, sudden-death atmosphere that college football enjoys every single week of the season right now...

[Imran Siddiqui]

A playoff would do the same thing to college football: turn the regular season into an mildly interesting exercise in getting enough wins to qualify for the postseason tournament.

Not if you limit it to conference champs and add 1 at large team. That'd be 12 teams. Give the 'Top 4' based on BCS a bye the first week. The other 8 teams play against each other the first week (seeded based on BCS standings), then they play against the top 4 the next. Then you get the semifinals and then the finals.

You have to win your conference (or be the best of the teams that don't... and as far as *****ing about that, win your conference and then you don't have to *****), so regular season games are still meaningful.

[MRT144]

imran, who is your at large team this season though? michigan, notre dame, etc etc?

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

A playoff would do the same thing to college football: turn the regular season into an mildly interesting exercise in getting enough wins to qualify for the postseason tournament.

Not if you limit it to conference champs and add 1 at large team. That'd be 12 teams. Give the 'Top 4' based on BCS a bye the first week. The other 8 teams play against each other the first week (seeded based on BCS standings), then they play against the top 4 the next. Then you get the semifinals and then the finals.

You have to win your conference (or be the best of the teams that don't... and as far as *****ing about that, win your conference and then you don't have to *****), so regular season games are still meaningful.

Holy ****, I agree with Imran...

[DanS]

and as such we should stop trying to make it essentially a professional sports league, where the competition and winning is all that manners. That's not why college sports were formed, and not why they should be in existence today.

I don't know what history you've been taught, but in the modern era, college football has always been foremost about competition and winning.

Blame it on the large college football stadiums that were built in the 1920s, if you wish, but it was played that way even before that.

College football was the professional football before professional football became popular.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by MRT144
imran, who is your at large team this season though? michigan, notre dame, etc etc?

Leave it up to the BCS... if you get left out, tough luck, you are only an at large. Win your conference next time.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Most people aren't going to pay much attention to college basketball until mid-February (at the earliest). A playoff would do the same thing to college football: turn the regular season into an mildly interesting exercise in getting enough wins to qualify for the postseason tournament. Personally, I prefer the exciting, sudden-death atmosphere that college football enjoys every single week of the season right now...

I watch pro football all season even though there is a playoff. Baseball used to have only a 2 team playoff. Problem was most teams were out by mid June and it got boring unless you were one of the top teams. Now thi 3 divisions and a Wild Card the entire season is exciting because more teams are in the race.

I think the regular season would be more intersting if they had a 16 team playoff. 8 times as many teams would have a chance - that would lead to excitment all over the country throughout the season, as opposed to just a 2 or 3 teams hoping to get voted in.

[Lord Avalon]

So what's the regular season - 9 games?

[MRT144]

im just saying though, this year, in your system would michigan be in our out?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by MRT144
im just saying though, this year, in your system would michigan be in our out?

They are the highest in BCS ranking outside of Conference Champions, so I'd imagine they would be in. Their only competition (really) would be the loser of the Florida/Arkansas game and either Louisville or West Virginia (which ever one finishes 2nd in the Big East).

As it stands now, the conference champs would be (* = my guess at who wins):

ACC: Georgia Tech*
Big 10: Ohio State
Big East: West Virginia*
Big 12: Oklahoma*
SEC: Florida*
Pac 10: USC* (if they lose to UCLA, Cal wins the Pac 10)
WAC: Boise State*
Mountain West: BYU
Conference USA: Houston*
Mid-American: Ohio*
Sun Belt: Middle Tennessee State*
At large: Michigan (highest BCS of any school not listed).

Then using current BCS rankings to seed (of course a few teams will rise and fall in the next few weeks), you'd have:

1. Ohio State (Big 10 Champ) - bye
2. Michigan (at large) - bye
3. USC (Pac 10 Champ) - bye
4. Florida (SEC Champ) - bye

5. West Virginia (Big East Champ)
6. Boise State (WAC Champ)
7. Oklahoma (Big 12 Champ)
8. Georgia Tech (ACC Champ)
9. BYU (Mountain West Champ)
10. either Houston/Ohio/Mid Tenn State (based on BCS rankings past #25)
11. either Houston/Ohio/Mid Tenn State
12. either Houston/Ohio/Mid Tenn State

[DanS]

Under your ludicrous system, Ohio University would be in while Notre Dame would be out.

I don't want to see any playoff system in any event.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by DanS


Under your ludicrous system, Ohio University would be in while Notre Dame would be out.

Exactly. Join a conference, ya bums. If you win your conference I think you should most definately get to be in the playoffs. If you are too stubborn to join a conference, you get penalized for it.

[DanS]

What are the chances that any system detrimental to Notre Dame would be instituted?

Approximately 0%.