The Confederate Flag and NASCAR

[Dr Strangelove]

Yeah! What about "Wounded Knee"?

[SlowwHand]

Oh, bury me not, at Wounded Knee. Where the coyotes howl and the wind blows free. In a narrow grave just six by three;


Time out. I don't think this is right.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Then they turn around and pitch a hissy fit over another flag, saying a person has no right.

You looney! No one is saying they have no right. They are saying that its disgusting, but doesn't mean it should be banned... kind of the same as the flag burning debate.

Just because you want to ban things you don't like doesn't mean everyone does .

[SlowwHand]

I'm not going to argue on this. Actual root cause of the thread is a bias born of ignorance against the South, working in tandem with a "Look at me" attitude.

If you don't want to agree, that's fine as frog hair.

Hell, I don't even like watching Nascar. What's that pretty boy Jeff's name? Gordon. That sorry ass.



Now, King Richard Petty, I might watch him for a couple of laps. Uh oh. I bet I violated another Northern rule, huh? Calling him King is probably against some law the Fed's made up.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
A flag is a sign, Slowwhand. And the Confederate flag says, "You Aren't Wanted"

If a flag is a sign, then it is a sign of the eyes of the person seeing it. I mean come on if u come a cross a person that cant read and u show him something with words on it what does it mean to him? Nothing its a shape of some sort with scribble on it, its By association that they may see a stop sign and no what to do cause they have done it before! If you never practiced racism how would one now what the signs they carry are.
And i will say this in most reenactments of the civil war che you see todays confederate flag on the battlefields. If they go so far to get the uniforms and weapons right why would the include a flag u say wasnt flown?
The confederate flag is a flag it means nothing to a lot of people. To me it means to rebel against something you dont agree with and i assoiciate it with the civil war as a way of telling who was who on the battlefield(i dont care if it was a small picture sewn to a purple sheet if thats all they had at the time to sew it to), to some others its just pretty, and to you its racist! Can u disagree that one is entitled to form their own opinions of something you see as different?

[Ben Kenobi]

If it's the KKK's cross, damn straight.

It's a Klan symbol. White cross for the purity of our race and the drop of blood from Jesus.

It's no different from the West Coast choppers Che. They are both variations on the Iron Cross of Imperial Germany.

Why is the same cross offensive when used by the KKK and inoffensive when used by the west coast choppers.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by MrFun



I'm 82 percent German, 10 percent Native American, and 8 percent East Asian. I have no black ancestry in my family history.

I have always found the Ku Klux Klan morally unacceptable because of their racism along with their homophobic hatred.

While I agree with you they are an ugly group, and spout crap of things they are famous for, but to my point you said u are german, and by that statement if i wanted or shall i say if allowed can i Associate you with hitler since when i hear the word germans it brings to mind ww2 and the nazis? Or do i have the right to reserve my views of you as an indvidual that has geman heritage?

[SlowwHand]

No. He's a jackass.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Something about flags. I asked this before, and someone besides dumb**** will have to answer since I finally have on Ignore, people that think the right to burn the American flag is a right under the freedom of speech articles. Then they turn around and pitch a hissy fit over another flag, saying a person has no right.

What gives the flag burner such special rights over any other? Keeping in mind I neither burn the American flag, nor fly this particular flag.

Seems a little hypocritical at best.

You have me on Ignore, but I will answer for the benefit of the others on here.

I believe people have the right to burn the American flag but I find it repugnant. I believe people have the right to fly the Confederate flag, the symbol of white supremacy, but I also find that repugnant.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski

While I agree with you they are an ugly group, and spout crap of things they are famous for, but to my point you said u are german, and by that statement if i wanted or shall i say if allowed can i Associate you with hitler since when i hear the word germans it brings to mind ww2 and the nazis? Or do i have the right to reserve my views of you as an indvidual that has geman heritage?

To automatically insinuate guilt on a whole ethnic group for past war crimes committed by a significant number (not all) of the same ethnic members is prejudice against that ethnic group.

I'm not prejudiced against white Southerners, since I do not make any unfair claim that all white Southerners are racist. JUST LIKE I WOULD NOT ACCUSE YOU OF BEING PREJUDICED AGAINST ALL GERMANS BY AUTOMATICALLY CONNECTING THE HOLOCAUST AND ANTI-SEMITISM WITH THE SWATISKA. Forgive me though, if, as an aspiring professional historian, I cannot accept popular culture phenomena such as the "Lost Cause" as fact, which runs contradictory to the consensus among professional historians, both, North and South.

The few interactions with white Southerners that I have had who have traveled or moved up to my general area have been smooth. One of them I have worked with as a co-intern while I was still taking classes at Eastern Illinois University; she and I got along fine and dandy. Not to mention that I have this infatuation with a Southerner -- Tim McGraw.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Oh, bury me not, at Wounded Knee. Where the coyotes howl and the wind blows free. In a narrow grave just six by three;


Time out. I don't think this is right.

I think what you did is called an pwn goal.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

In wich case then Mr Fun You should aslo inculde the confederate flag in your theories!!! just as you say not all germans are assoicated with predjuice and racisms neither should you say all confederate flags denote racism. They way i see it you cant have one and not the other since they are all signs and symbols. and if one doesnt always indicate what you say then neither does the other

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
In wich case then Mr Fun You should aslo inculde the confederate flag in your theories!!! just as you say not all germans are assoicated with predjuice and racisms neither should you say all confederate flags denote racism. They way i see it you cant have one and not the other since they are all signs and symbols. and if one doesnt always indicate what you say then neither does the other

You still don't get it. I still believe that the Confederate flag is a symbol of white supremacy. That does not mean that I believe all white Southerners are white supremacists. It's possible to not be racist, and still use the Confederate flag for display but then one is still being grossly ignorant about the history of the Civil War and the issue of race relations. Either you're racist, or you are unwittingly or willfully ignorant of American history. Sadly, it's still common in our country for Americans to be uncomfortable with honestly looking at our own country's history in regards to the boogey-man of the issue of race.

Either way you look at it, in my opinion, if one insists that he/she is not racist while proudly displaying the Confederate flag, or if he/she displays it because they are unabashedly racist, he/she is being obtuse, and repugnantly insensitive to blacks.

The only exceptions I allow for what I think are appropriate uses of the Confederate flag are museum exhibits that HONESTLY portray the Civil War and the issue of race relations, and in battle reenactments.

Really -- white Southerners ought to find more productive and positive ways to express pride in their state's/region's culture. Such expression would be inclusive of black Southerners and all other groups that reside in the South. Proudly displaying the Confederate flag to express cultural pride certainly does NOT include black Southerners in the picture.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You still don't get it. I still believe that the Confederate flag is a symbol of white supremacy. That does not mean that I believe all white Southerners are white supremacists. It's possible to not be racist, and still use the Confederate flag for display but then one is still being grossly ignorant about the history of the Civil War and the issue of race relations. Either you're racist, or you are unwittingly or willfully ignorant of American history. Sadly, it's still common in our country for Americans to be uncomfortable with honestly looking at our own country's history in regards to the boogey-man of the issue of race.

Just stop, Mr. Fun. You aren't using the black and white dichotomy favored by pro-Confederate flag defenders here. After all, to Slow, if you are against the Confederate flag, you must want to ban people from unfurling it.

You are doing that whole 'nuance' thing. That don't play when in the South (Oh, and if humor doesn't play well either... that was a joke!).

[SlowwHand]

He was whining about Nascar and the Confederate flag.
See thread title. Am I missing something? No. He whines about the South constanly. All he can do is pimp himself and when that doesn't work talk about a subject he's ill-informed on.
By his own admission he hasn't been to the South. I have no respect for his opinion. He can't tell me how the South thinks or feels, and I can't tell him how a Gay Iowan thinks thinks and feels.
Is that really so difficult to comprehend?