nBSG Season opening roundup(Spoilers, Damnit)

[Pax]

It seems to me that at some point in time colonials built as bio-mechanical. And kept making them smarter and smarter onto a line was crossed that they did not know about. Then the cylons revolted. Or it could be that they started out building computers that turned sentient and took over the robots and revolted. Maybe one or two computers like in "I have no mouth and I must scream"
I think the origin story will be very good if it ever comes out. It would be interesting if some of Baltars ancestors were involved.
It's interesting that Cylon women that have no qualms about sharing there men and cylons don't seem to be attracted to each other at all.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Whoha


He was saying that their raiders,transports,etc were infected. those all have biological components. and way back in the mini-series six said the original machines existed.

no idea on the virus, zombie cylons


have we seen those opened up? they might have biological stuff inside like the raiders. that would make sense if the res process only works for biological components and they want their stuff to retain experience.

They said that the virus originally infected the immune system of humans (Colonial AIDS?). How then does this virus manage to be carried back to resurrection ships along with the memories of the dear departed? Come to think of it, you'd think that if the Cylons had an organ in their body capable of broadcasting their memories long distances to the resurrection ships that it would be possible to scan for the organ or at least detect the energy given off by it.

[DRoseDARs]

We already had that discussion DS. Something about the virus making their programming all wonky and that's what gets transmitted, not the virus itself past initial infection beyond the first ship.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Adama did it!

Well, he was following orders, but we've heard that excuse before .

[GePap]

Adama didn't do it. Roslin said it best, that is just Adama trying to simplify the whole mess in his head. Anyone really think that that was the only, or even the first, covert mission accross the line?

[Imran Siddiqui]

True, but it seemed like it was the shooting of the Archduke... the final trigger. Maybe the Cylons knew somewhat about the missions and were waiting for the first slip up (to convince other Cylons perhaps?) and they got it with the Valkrye's botched mission.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
True, but it seemed like it was the shooting of the Archduke... the final trigger. Maybe the Cylons knew somewhat about the missions and were waiting for the first slip up (to convince other Cylons perhaps?) and they got it with the Valkrye's botched mission.

The plan the Cylons put into effect seems to have been a bit better thought out than just a response to one harmless action. After all, they are crossing right over the line. Its not like having the ship jump into orbit of say a mayor Cylon world.

While Adama may want to beat himself up, I would be disappointed with the writers if they were ever to make that failed mission of any real importance to anyone other than Bulldog and Adama's careers.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The plan the Cylons put into effect seems to have been a bit better thought out than just a response to one harmless action. After all, they are crossing right over the line. Its not like having the ship jump into orbit of say a mayor Cylon world.

IIRC, the discussion with Adama and Lee brought up that Adama thought the Cylons, seeing the human cross the armistice line were planning an invasion of their own and scouting the Cylon defenses. So the wipe out of the humans was basically a preemptive strike. The 'caught human' over the line could have been the final straw to convince the others to finally go along with that plan.

After all, it'd make sense in the relation to real world events BSG seems to have going now (ie, the pitfals of preemptive wars this time).

Of course, there is the theory that perhaps the Admiralty was itching for a fight and wanted to provoke the Cylons... though they badly miscalculated the size of the Cylon fleet.

[Solver]

Of course, there is the theory that perhaps the Admiralty was itching for a fight and wanted to provoke the Cylons... though they badly miscalculated the size of the Cylon fleet.

It's more their abilities that they miscalculated, if so. The Cylons easily wiped out the colonies because of a backdoor in the Colonial navigational program (thank you Baltar!). Battlestars are capable of taking on Cylon basestars. Granted, we don't know how many ships the Cylons had when they attacked, but it does seem that they do actually have resource problems as well.

[GePap]

Yeah, but the Cylons were already probably planning some attack of their own.

The machines turned out to be more efficient.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Solver

It's more their abilities that they miscalculated, if so. The Cylons easily wiped out the colonies because of a backdoor in the Colonial navigational program (thank you Baltar!). Battlestars are capable of taking on Cylon basestars. Granted, we don't know how many ships the Cylons had when they attacked, but it does seem that they do actually have resource problems as well.

It seems clear from everything we have seen that the modern Battlestars are more powerfull on a ship to ship basis than a single basestar.

After all the Pegaus and Galactica took on two basetars and won in the battle to destroy the resurrection ship. And the Pegasus blew away one basestar with relative ease compared to the pounding the Galactica was taking from three basestars.

Basetars seem to be mainly raider carriers, as opposed to the dreadnaughts that are Battlestars.

[Solver]

Yeah, basestars are basically attack-only vessels. They can jump in and launch Raiders and conventional/nuclear missiles. But they can't really protect themselves. Battlestars have some guns that can provide an effective flak shield (even the old bucket Galactica can use its flak shield effectively), plus, Battlestars generally have a wider assortment of guns for different firing modes and tactics. Basestars, it seems, have no weapons themselves other than the missiles.

The 2-on-2 battle for the resurrection ship actually turned out to be pretty easy for the Colonials. With their poor defensive capabilities, basestars are in a very bad situation if they get surprised, particularly if the Raiders are drawn away. In Captain's Hand and Exodus, indeed, we saw that the Pegasus main battery can destroy a basestar quite quickly.

I'd like to see, though, what a Colonial lighter ship looked like. It's known that the fleet consisted of Battlestars and also lighter ships. If Battlestars are a mix of carrier/battleship, then there'd probably be equivalents of cruisiers and other lighter ship types.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by GePap
Adama didn't do it. Roslin said it best, that is just Adama trying to simplify the whole mess in his head. Anyone really think that that was the only, or even the first, covert mission accross the line?

given the massive cylon infiltration effort I'd have to go with no on that, but still, Adama broke the dam.

also baseships need point defense, though we've yet to see a nuke launched at one.

[BeBMan]

Just curious, how are the ratings currently? Because I read in a German article they were going down for a while in the US? True or just a stupid article? Don't tell me BSG is in danger to be cancelled..../panic

[Locutus]

From what I heard the ratings *have* been going down a bit recently, if only slightly. But that doesn't matter, this is SciFi's flagship show that finally put them on the map in TV land. It has won numerous awards already and an Emmy is just a matter of time, it has to be. So it ain't going anywhere even if ratings dropped to half what they are now, at least until EJO or MM start demanding a lot more money (which I'm not sure they can really do if the ratings stay what they are) or just want to quit altogether...