Yahoo Fantasy Hockey

[Hot Mustard]

I don't think GWG is flukey, but if popular opinion is against it, that's fine.

Something else we could do is split the PPP - have PPG and PPA.

[Kontiki]

GWG is flukey - for every spectacular, dying seconds, full body sacrifice GWG, there are ten more where it just happens to be the second goal scored in a 5-1 snoozefest. The biggest problem I have with it, though, is that it isn't something you can really select for. I think all good fantasy stats are those that factor into your decision making process come draft or trade time.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher
This is a competition...it's every man for themselves. We just need to ensure there is no collusion and there are no people intentionally tanking their team, there's no need for the voting-down-of-trades or worse, dictator-commissioner powers.

What third alternative is there?

[notyoueither]

Are we agreed that we want more emphasis on skaters over goalies?

There are several skater stats that do not involve being a goon (PIM) or getting lucky (GW or T goals). Can we rule those out?

We definitely want goals, assists, and +/-, agreed?

Faceoffs won and lost are a single position stat, so we can set them aside, yes?

If we agree to this point, then we could...

use Points (some don't like this) or

use SH stats (still others don't like this) or

seperate PP points into PP goals and assists or

adopt Shots on Goal or Shooting Percentage

Those seem to be the alternatives. People should speak up on which they prefer.

Additionally, I would not mind adding a fourth goalie stat, but at the same time I would want 2 skater stats added to address the original problem of too much importance on goalies.

Finally, we could adopt the alternative proposed by some, and that is leave the skaters at the same 4 stats and take 1 away from the goalies. Problem with that is it leaves us with 6 stats (even number, less clear winners in the playoffs). Is that a problem itself?

[mrboo123]

I say, spilt the PPpoints and go with the shooting percentage (why award the nonskilled players who don't have patiences?), if we're going to add another goalie stats. Which one? I don't know

[Jaguar]

I'll be inne.

[Guynemer]

I actually wouldn't mind a Faceoff PCT% stat, personally.

[joncha]

I'd prefer wins to GAA or SV% if we go with three goalie stats.

I don't think we should have points if we also have goals and assists. It just ends up counting the exact same thing twice.

I'm fine with either adding SHG or splitting PPP into PPA and PPG (or doing both, for that matter).

[Jaguar]

I'm in as the Mountain Goats.

[Kontiki]

shooting percentage

One of the biggest horse**** stats there is.

I like the idea of keeping an odd number of total stats, and the idea of limiting the goalie stats. I don't think there should be four even if we added two skater stats. If we're going to add wins, then we should subtract one of the others. The trouble with goalie stats is that many of them are confounding, making one stellar goalie a buzzsaw. I mean based on last year, if your goalie gets a shutout, that's an ass kicking in shutouts, save percentage and GAA. Because of that, I'd add wins and subtract either GAA or SV%, not because it's a better measure of performance, but because it helps level the playing field a bit.

[Ben Kenobi]

Well why not have something like SO or GWG as the tiebreaker?

That would make much more sense to me.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by joncha
I don't think we should have points if we also have goals and assists. It just ends up counting the exact same thing twice.

I'm fine with either adding SHG or splitting PPP into PPA and PPG (or doing both, for that matter).

So does splitting PPG and PPA, since they both already count for regular goals and assists. Having said that, it's not necessarily a bad idea

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards splitting PPP or - surprising myself - faceoff percentage. The reason I'm warming to faceoff percentage is that A) everyone has to have at least two centers anyway, B) it's always there, so unlike SHG, for example, it's not going to be that rare one or two a week that wins a category and C) it's adds a another level of depth to the player selection, since you may forsake some points to get a faceoff specialist.

[joncha]

Originally posted by Kontiki


So does splitting PPG and PPA, since they both already count for regular goals and assists. Having said that, it's not necessarily a bad idea

Yeah, but you only get double for specific goals and assists (those on the PP), not for all of them.

[Tingkai]

When is the draft?

Since NYE started the thread and the Yahoo league account, so I'm fine with having him as the commish.

As for stats, we should have PIM. The fantasy team should match RL as much as possible and enforcers and power forwards are part of the game.

Splitting PPP into PPG and PPA would make sense.

Nothing wrong with counting GWG, as well.

[Hot Mustard]

Faceoffs ends up with unintended consequences - people will start picking centers with wing availability instead of actual wingers and because those are rare, they end up with a permanent advantage. This happened in another league I was in a couple of years back, although it was a total points league, so it was a bit different. We dropped faceoffs since.