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  • #91
    The Russians should learn there place and the US gov should stop making speaches that hurt the relationship. With the expansion of the Chinese military, in 20 years Siberia will be the next West Germany, the front lines of a confrontation of governing philosophy. Without western assistance the Russians can't hope to keep it. Also, the Russians might be best placed to stop a Chinese effort to gain control of the mideast. An invasion by land...
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    • #92
      I'm not sure China is going to go on any military adventures apart from Taiwan ever. It's increasingly obvious that major powers gain little if anything from military campaigns in the modern era. Major powers all just want to preserve the status quo for the most part. China will be happy to let others do all the heavy lifting in that thankless endeavour.

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      • #93
        Perhaps. Yet they, the Chinese, are a despotism. They need recources which are becoming more expensive. The middle class is rising, which must worry the despot. A war could deflect critisism and and unite the people as well as secure their sources of energy.

        All that is needed now is an economic problem, a deep recession or depression. The Chinese need to find 250,000 new jobs a month, or people will get hungry. When people get hungry, governments get nervous. Remember, it is better to sanctify aggresiveness than reform it...or something like that.

        China is a sleeping giant that is arming as fast as it can.
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        • #94
          Geronimo: stop reading Waltz and begin reading Mearsheimer

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          • #95
            Lancer

            Anyone else ever wondered why China has been listed possessing 400 nuclear warheads for decades now?

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            • #96
              Sure. I wonder that all the time.

              Why?
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              • #97
                Originally posted by Lancer
                The Russians should learn there place and the US gov should stop making speaches that hurt the relationship. With the expansion of the Chinese military, in 20 years Siberia will be the next West Germany, the front lines of a confrontation of governing philosophy. Without western assistance the Russians can't hope to keep it. Also, the Russians might be best placed to stop a Chinese effort to gain control of the mideast. An invasion by land...


                "Goldman Sachs: by 2027 Russia will be the most powerful country in Europe

                May 2, 2006
                The cost of one share of the giant Russian Gazprom Company will shortly go up to 140 U.S. dollars. This is the forecast of the Morgan Stanley Investment Bank, one of the biggest in America. As a result, the total exchange capitalisation of this Russian company will add up to 330 billion U.S. dollars.

                The American bank's prediction was published right after the global sensation, linked with Gazprom's breakthrough to one of the three first places among the largest world companies . Gazprom outstripped the American Microsoft Corporation and grew to be the world's third company , as regards capital, with an exchange capitalisation of 269 billion U.S. dollars. Never before had any Russian company attained such a high global rating of economic might.


                The cost of Gazprom shares grew four-fold in 2005 after the Russian cabinet abolished the restrictions on their purchase by western investors. Financial and stock exchange experts believe that Gazprom, which possesses the world's largest reserves of natural gas, has ``an unlimited business potential''. The market has already reacted to this by a sharply increased demand for the shares of this Russian giant.


                Gazprom had shouldered out last Tuesday the British Petroleum Company, leader of the European energy sector, after the Russian company's share was increased in the world MSCI index. On decision, agreed with the leading investment banks, Gazprom's share in the new markets sector is being increased from the current 5.85 per cent to 29.15 per cent by the end of May, and up to 45.14 per cent by August.


                The revision by the MSCI New York Service, which sets the tune among the investment funds and among the largest specialised investors, of Gazprom's strategic positions in the world economy will trigger a further sharp increase of the demand for its securities. This is now being noted on the stock markets.


                Moreover, according to the estimates of the Goldman Sachs Investment Bank, by 2027 Russia will grow to be the most economically powerful country in Europe with a gross national product of three trillion U.S. dollars. Russia is winning back its historic place in Europe and in the entire world, which it held 100 years ago, when it was the most rapidly economically developing country among the European states, the British economist, Hamish MacRae, notes."

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                • #98
                  Good.
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                  • #99
                    Who is Europe's most powerful country now?

                    We shall strike down upon thee...

                    Lance: it's dangerous. They probably have 40,000 warheads already.

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                    • Also, being the most powerful isn't the same as being the most rapidly developing.

                      BTW, I guess Russia will also win back its position as being the most backward politically as it was 100 years ago. Long live the monarchy.

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                      • Originally posted by Ecthy
                        Who is Europe's most powerful country now?

                        We shall strike down upon thee...
                        Like you don't know.

                        Lance: it's dangerous. They probably have 40,000 warheads already.
                        Why not 400,000?

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                        • Originally posted by Ecthy
                          Also, being the most powerful isn't the same as being the most rapidly developing.
                          Right, you should educate that British economist guy. Send him a letter.

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                          • He got it all right, you've been misinterpreting.

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                            • The relevant Wiki article says they have 20 ICBMs (USA) and about 150 medium range missiles (Russia, India).

                              My arse!

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