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    The Russians are taking this speech very seriously, apparently. All the hallmarks of an important speech.

    From the FT...

    Cheney remarks spark talk of ‘new cold war’
    By Neil Buckley in Moscow
    Published: May 5 2006 18:55 | Last updated: May 5 2006 18:55

    Russian newspapers looked back six decades on Friday as they reacted with alarm and indignation to Dick Cheney’s rebuke of Russia in Vilnius, some warning it marked the dawn of a new cold war.

    Russia’s state-owned Channel One TV news on Thursday night ignored the words of the US vice-president. But most Moscow newspapers – government-controlled and independent – carried it on their front pages on Friday.

    They presented it variously as carrying echoes of the speech in Fulton, Missouri, in 1946 when Sir Winston Churchill warned of an “Iron Curtain” descending across Europe, or the 1945 Yalta conference where Europe’s post-war map was drawn up. Some suggested Mr Cheney’s remarks would drive Russia into the arms of China.

    Many highlighted the fact that Mr Cheney’s speech was delivered in Lithuania to the Community of Democratic Choice, the nine-country group of former Soviet republics and satellites set up by presidents Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia and Viktor Yushchenko of Ukraine.

    They said it marked a potentially fatal split in the Commonwealth of Independent States, the body grouping 12 former Soviet republics founded in the USSR’s dying days.

    Kommersant, the business daily, was most strident, headlining its coverage: “Enemy at the Gate: Dick Cheney made almost a Fulton speech in Vilnius”. The paper, recently sold by exiled Russian “oligarch” Boris Berezovsky to a business partner and usually considered liberal and anti-Kremlin, warned that Mr Cheney’s words showed “the cold war has restarted, only now the front line has shifted”.

    Komsomolskaya Pravda, Russia’s best-selling daily and seen as pro-Kremlin, drew comparisons with the Yalta conference. It published a map highlighting the countries that met in Vilnius, with the sub-heading: “Asia has stayed with Moscow, but former socialist Europe has gone over to the American side.” The new pro-democracy group had formed a “powerful cordon sanitaire along our borders”.

    “What is Russia to do?” the paper asked. “Evidently it needs to strengthen links with Belarus and central Asia. And get friendly with China, to counterbalance this western might.”

    Vremya Novostei, a popular daily, said the new pro-democracy community was being created by the American leadership “not only to be an alternative to the CIS, but its grave-digger”. Trud, controlled by the media arm of Gazprom, the natural gas giant, said a new bloc had formed “the commonwealth of the disgruntled with Russia”.

    Official reactions were more measured, but no less piqued. Dmitry Peskov, deputy Kremlin spokesman, said the presidential administration viewed Mr Cheney’s words with “incomprehension” – particularly his warning over Russia using its energy might to “blackmail” its neighbours.

    “We can’t agree with a lot of his speech,” Mr Peskov said. “We can’t agree that Russian companies are intimidating people, intimidating neighbouring countries, which need oil and gas for the development of their democracies and their economy.

    “Russia and Russian companies for many decades, including during the cold war, were reliable suppliers of energy resources to Europe. And we remain reliable suppliers,” Mr Peskov added.

    He said Mr Cheney’s speech made no mention of the “successes that Russia has achieved in the area of democracy, in the area of freedom of religion. Fifteen years ago, no one in Europe could have imagined that we would follow such a path.”

    “If we’re talking about some kind of change of approach, this should be officially communicated, and not by means of a speech at a conference,” he said.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    Excerpts from the speech...

    Cheney Lectures Russia About Reform

    By DAVID ESPO
    The Associated Press

    VILNIUS, Lithuania —

    Vice President Dick Cheney, in remarks that caused a stir in neighboring Russia, accused President Vladimir Putin Thursday of restricting the rights of citizens and said that "no legitimate interest is served" by turning energy resources into implements of blackmail.

    "In Russia today, opponents of reform are seeking to reverse the gains of the last decade," Cheney told a conference of Eastern European leaders whose countries once lived under Soviet oppression, and now in Russia's shadow.

    Cheney's speech blended praise for the progress Eastern European countries have made toward democracy since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, with an exhortation to continue on the same path.

    "The democratic unity of Europe ensures the peace of Europe," he said.

    He said Russia has a choice to make when it comes to reform, and said that in many areas, "from religion and the news media to advocacy groups and political parties, the government has unfairly and improperly restricted the rights of the people."

    Other actions "have been counterproductive and could begin to affect relations with other countries," Cheney said, mentioning energy and border issues.

    "No legitimate interest is served when oil and gas become tools of intimidation or blackmail, either by supply manipulation or attempts to monopolize transportation," he said.

    "And no one can justify actions that undermine the territorial integrity of a neighbor, or interfere with democratic movements."

    It was among the strongest remarks that any U.S. official has made publicly about Putin's leadership style. The Bush administration for the most part has tried to play down, at least publicly, any strong differences with Putin.

    Andrei Kokoshin, chairman of a Russian State Duma committee, said he believes Cheney's remarks at the Vilnius forum are subjective and do not reflect the real situation in the former Soviet republics.

    Cheney's remarks "hardly corresponds to many realities of the political processes that we see on the post-Soviet territory today," he said.

    "The United States has to deal with an absolutely different Russia today - a Russia that has restored its real sovereignty in many areas and is pursuing a course on the world arena that meets mainly its own national interests," Kokoshin added.

    Russian Liberal Democratic Party leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky said he believes Cheney tried to discredit Russia in the run-up to a G8 summit scheduled for July in St. Petersburg.

    "I believe his criticism of Russia for trying to dismantle democracy in our country is absolutely baseless, but I am sure that Cheney expressed the opinion of only part of the U.S. political elite, but not that of the top leader of that country," Zhirinovsky said.

    Russia rattled nerves across Europe last winter when the state-controlled gas monopoly Gazprom cut off supplies of natural gas to Ukraine. An agreement eventually ended the impasse, but it raised questions of Russia's dependability as a supplier of energy.

    Gazprom supplies about one-quarter of the natural gas consumed in Europe and 80 percent of that goes through Ukraine.

    Officials said the remark concerning territorial integrity was meant to apply to Georgia and Moldova, both former portions of the Soviet Union where the administration says Russia is playing an unhelpful role in solving separatist conflicts.

    Cheney spoke to the Vilnius Conference, a gathering of leaders from the Baltic and Black Sea regions.

    The vice president blended his criticism of Putin with a reaffirmation of President Bush's decision to attend this summer's Group of 8 summit meeting in Russia.

    Putin will serve as host of the meeting of leaders of the world's largest industrialized nations, and some American politicians have urged Bush not to attend.

    "We will make the case, clearly and confidently, that Russia has nothing to fear and everything to gain from having strong, stable democracies on its borders," the vice president said.

    Any criticism of Russia seemed restrained in contrast to the words Cheney used to describe the political situation in Belarus under President Alexander Lukashenko. He said Belarus suffers under "the last dictatorship in Europe" and that its people are denied basic freedoms.

    Cheney said he had hoped to meet in Lithuania with Belarus' opposition leader Alexander Milinkevich, but he was recently jailed by authorities in Minsk. "The regime should end this injustice and free Mr. Milinkevich, along with other democracy advocates held in captivity," he said.

    Much of Cheney's speech was an exhortation to the people and leaders of countries that long lived under the occupation of the Soviet Union, and a reassurance that the United States will stand with them.

    "In these 15 years, the Baltics have shown how far nations can progress when they embrace freedom, serve the interests of their people and hold steadily to the path of reform," he said.

    "Reform is an uneven path, but it is not chaos; indeed, the surest way to invite constant political social and economic upheaval is to reject the hard but necessary choices."

    Cheney began his day at breakfast with Yushchenko, and said the United States wanted "to do everything we can to be of assistance in the days ahead."

    Yushchenko responded by saying that recent "free and fair elections" for parliament and local offices marked significant progress in his country's path toward democracy.

    "Probably for the first time, Ukrainian authorities were highly assessed by ... the international community, including the Americans," said Yushchenko.

    Cheney had meetings scheduled throughout the day with a number of other regional leaders.

    On a six-day trip through three countries, Cheney has stops later in the week in Kazakhstan and Croatia.

    © 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
    Last edited by DanS; May 6, 2006, 12:47.
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    • #3
      Russian paranoia is wierd.
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      • #4
        Talk of a new cold war surfaces everyone once in a while, as well talk of a Russia-China entente, and it always dissipates rather quicly. Don't think it'll be any different this time. The fact is that Russia has nothing like the strength vs the US the old USSR had and that China isn't willing to risk its economic ties with the US because of Russia's hurt pride. And neither is the west really willing to risk losing Russia's energy supplies.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          Russian paranoia is wierd.
          Given how many times they have been invaded, it is more understandable than American self-rightetousness.
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          • #6
            Colon: I think it's a little different this time. The US press carried it on its front pages, for instance. It was meant to be an important speech, and apparently it was received as an important speech.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GePap


              Given how many times they have been invaded, it is more understandable than American self-rightetousness.
              Gosh, I think Belgium can beat Russia hands down in that aspect, but you don't see us getting all hysterical when we get criticised.
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              • #8
                As for the topic, the Russians are awash with petrodollars, and have decided they want to get back into the game. The Bush admin. is pissed because of that- after all, eevryone is supposed to do as they say. Damn Russians getting pissy and acting like a regular regional power, caring about their national interests more than those of the US- how inconsiderate of them.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Colon™


                  Gosh, I think Belgium can beat Russia hands down in that aspect, but you don't see us getting all hysterical when we get criticised.
                  Since Belgium has existed as a country dseperate from some other identity, you have been invade what? Twice?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GePap
                    Given how many times they have been invaded, it is more understandable than ...
                    Not really. It's quite hard to take seriously.
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                    • #11
                      Also, a cold war isn't started by hurt emotions, but by a competition in security aspects. As was mentioned earlier, Russia just isn't strong enough.

                      Funny to see how today people talk of the danger of Russia leaning toward "China's arms", not the other way around as it would have been 50 years ago

                      How many times was Russia invaded? 1610 from Poland, 1812 from France, 1914 and 1941 from Germany. 4 times in 400 years isn't that much.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DinoDoc
                        Not really. It's quite hard to take seriously.
                        You don;t take anything seriously, so that is no surprise.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GePap


                          Given how many times they have been invaded, it is more understandable than American self-rightetousness.
                          Are you serious ? I can count five : mongols, swedes, french and 2 x germans. That is very few compared to the average number other european countries has been invaded.

                          Edit : dammit , I forgot that the evil finns also have done it.
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                          • #14
                            Russia has invaded other countries more often than other countries have invaded Russia.
                            CSPA

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ecthy
                              How many times was Russia invaded? 1610 from Poland, 1812 from France, 1914 and 1941 from Germany. 4 times in 400 years isn't that much.
                              1918-1922 from multiple states in various areas.

                              Also in the early 1700's by the Swedes during the Great Northern War.

                              1850's during the Crimean War

                              That is ignoring the fact the Russian trace their history back to the creation of Novgorod at least, so they consider the invasions by Teutonic knights, MOngols, Tatars, Poles and Lithuanians as valid. Plus their long wars of expansionism, and constanst warfare with their neighbors.

                              It all adds up. Just look at Serb.
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