What party am I?

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
whatever may be said (And I have serious issues with Bush 1 and Reagan) they are very different then those current in power for the republicans

Jon Miller

I think that W Bush is very different from the republican base ... he's the forefront of a certain movement in the party ("Neocons") but Reaganites (who are in some part neocon but in a larger part not neocon) are different, and a larger part of the party as a whole. Just that the Neocons-Bush are more powerful at the moment due to their ability to get Bush elected, and the Congress Republican ...

Most republicans, and I'd argue the majority of the Party, are Pro-Military in all senses. Many republicans were shocked when the Humvee scandal broke; Bush may have played it down, but his core support forced him to at least show that he was offended too and try to fix it (whether it worked or not ... )

Certainly the military town I spent a good part of my highschool career in was very pro-republican. It is a small sized city (30k) in the southwest, with about 1/4 of its population there because of the Air Force base. Most of the people there are rabid republicans, and very pro-life and pro-military.

These sorts of towns are where the Republican popular base comes from - not from the corporate crap they pull, and not the extremists. Those people (the extremists) will lose power eventually, and the party will return to its roots - small town Americans, who care about their nation and the individual freedoms and conservative values that make this nation what it is. I'm one of many who are Republicans, but not Bu****es; I support our President because he is our President, but I don't agree with everything he says or does (or even most of it, at times), and I believe the Karl Roves of the world are hurting our nation, AND our Party.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by VJ

How do you know this?



...Because Ann Coulter told you so?

No, Coulter is an idiot. Clinton was doing so - because it's the politically correct thing to do. I'd have done the same in his shoes ... doesn't change what he did, and how he suddenly cared about something he hadn't cared about.

[q=VJ]
Again and again, you're confusing Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden as allies. Before 2000, Clinton tried to focus on anti-terror manhunt undercover. In 2001, republicans cut almost all anti-terror funding as another liberal tax-and-spend project and appointed a foreign policy academic without any military experience as the National Security Advisor of a president -- the job slot which is meant to be given to a person who has a large amount of experience when it comes to protecting America. The republican party only started to portray itself as pro-military intervention after 9/11. Before that, it dismissed all military interventions against nations that didn't directly attack US as hopeless nation building -projects. [/Q]

Yet George HW Bush invaded Iraq in his term in office ... ?? And what was the major objection of the democrats to Reagan's foreign policy (military buildup to bankrupt and/or destroy the Soviets) ... oh yeah, too much military, spend that money at home

[RGBVideo]

These sorts of towns are where the Republican popular base comes from - not from the corporate crap they pull, and not the extremists. Those people (the extremists) will lose power eventually, and the party will return to its roots - small town Americans, who care about their nation and the individual freedoms and conservative values that make this nation what it is.

If only that would turn out to be true... :/

I'm one of many who are Republicans, but not Bu****es; I support our President because he is our President, but I don't agree with everything he says or does (or even most of it, at times), and I believe the Karl Roves of the world are hurting our nation, AND our Party.

"I voted for Bush altough I opposed him and his agenda of corruption. Why? Because I'm a republican".

[Theben]

From the conversations I've had with Lancer I'd say he's right-wing populist. His views are strongly pro-life, and he wants the govt to be strong enough to keep big business from screwing people over, but to otherwise stay out of citizens affairs. Definitely NOT authoritarian.

[chequita guevara]

Lancer, this is the party for you.

[RGBVideo]

Clinton was doing so - because it's the politically correct thing to do. I'd have done the same in his shoes ... .

Uhh, no. Just because you would've done it because of PC doesn't necessarily mean that he did it because of PC.

doesn't change what he did, and how he suddenly cared about something he hadn't cared about

"suddenly". There was a counter-terror missile strike, made "suddenly" because earlier in the same month there had been a bomb attack against US embassy in Africa which was quickly proven to be OBL's work -- it was the first crystal clear, concrete proof that OBL was planning anti-US terror strikes. Missile attack was supposed to kill OBL, it failed.

Clinton would've probably intervened -- it doesn't do good for national prestige to try something, fail and give up -- but partisan morons of the republican party which were ignorant of the threat posed by OBL decided to create an outrage of the strike so they could concentrate on invididual adultery. Because of the outrage, Clinton didn't push the issue anymore in his term. In early 2001 Bush reversed Clinton's policy towards Afghanistan in the name of "war on drugs", giving it $20 million in humanitarian aid. And yet, you people keep on whining how 9/11 is all Clinton's fault.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Lancer, this is the party for you.

Now there's a quality website.

[Stefu]

Why is this necessarily being a weasel? There is plenty of grey area between either extreme. He can't technically be both, but he can be somewhere in between.

The "I'm pro-life except I don't want to ban any abortions!" position, which I was referring to, is the biggest weasel position ever. Basically, if someone believes that abortion is murder (and that's pretty much the only tenable reason to be a pro-lifer, really), then what sort of a person would he or she be if he or she believed that this type of murder should be legal? I guess it could be defended with the "I'm going to kill anything taking up residence in my body" argument but that I've always felt that that argument is only consistent if one is an ultralibertarian or a huge ghoul.

[RGBVideo]

Stefu: Why haven't I seen you on civirc lately? Have you got yourself a life now?

[Mr. Harley]

If the Republicans are the pro-military party - why have they underfunded the VA Hospitals so seriously. And before anyone quotes Clinton, the Republicans controlled the House for six years of his presidency, and they wanted to cut VA spending too.

Also, the Bush adminstration specifically REVERSED a Clinton executive policy of trying to get information out to veterans so they can take advantage of the benefits they earned. The Bush administration forbids it, to the fact that here in my state an ex-Miss America was helping at an event that was going to tell vets about their benefits - and the VA refused to let them hold it at the hospital due to Bush policy. Since the rest of the party remain silent...

note - I've posted cites on that multiple times and I am getting really tired of doing it. Sigh.

[Stefu]

Originally posted by VJ
Stefu: Why haven't I seen you on civirc lately? Have you got yourself a life now?

Nah mang I've just got some livelier ways of expressing my livelessness let's put it like that

[Ben Kenobi]

VJ:

You miss a few things that Bush has done, such as the Partial Birth abortion ban. Certainly, there is more work to be done, but Bush has been improving things rather then making them worse.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by snoopy369


I think that W Bush is very different from the republican base ... he's the forefront of a certain movement in the party ("Neocons") but Reaganites (who are in some part neocon but in a larger part not neocon) are different, and a larger part of the party as a whole. Just that the Neocons-Bush are more powerful at the moment due to their ability to get Bush elected, and the Congress Republican ...

Most republicans, and I'd argue the majority of the Party, are Pro-Military in all senses. Many republicans were shocked when the Humvee scandal broke; Bush may have played it down, but his core support forced him to at least show that he was offended too and try to fix it (whether it worked or not ... )

Certainly the military town I spent a good part of my highschool career in was very pro-republican. It is a small sized city (30k) in the southwest, with about 1/4 of its population there because of the Air Force base. Most of the people there are rabid republicans, and very pro-life and pro-military.

These sorts of towns are where the Republican popular base comes from - not from the corporate crap they pull, and not the extremists. Those people (the extremists) will lose power eventually, and the party will return to its roots - small town Americans, who care about their nation and the individual freedoms and conservative values that make this nation what it is. I'm one of many who are Republicans, but not Bu****es; I support our President because he is our President, but I don't agree with everything he says or does (or even most of it, at times), and I believe the Karl Roves of the world are hurting our nation, AND our Party.

but if you and the other 'nonextremist' republicans continue to vote for the Bush/NeoCon republicans, they will never leave power

and will grow stronger and stronger

Jon Miller

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Lancer
Politicly I'm this:

1) Pro life. That's my personal litmus test. Besides this, everything else is fairly far behind.

2) I'm pro military. It's all that stands between us and the major *******s of the world.

3) I'm pro environment, corporate America is a whore for $.

4) I'm pro union.

5) I'm pro higher minimum wage.

6) I'm pro US worker protection.

Name me a party. Who represents me?

Other then the antiabortion part you sound like a Democrat. They do have pro-life Democrats though.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Lancer, this is the party for you.

That is one messed up party.