Focus on the Family on how to prevent gayness

[Vesayen]

Re: Focus on the Family on how to prevent gayness

[SIZE=5] He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger. (what!?!?!?!?!?!)

WHAT?

[Ben Kenobi]

Is your father's penis bigger than yours?

[Sava]

that be a YES

[Spiffor]

What an amazing article. It concentrates sexism to the utmost degree, and as a result it logically contains a ton of homophobia.

Fortunately, despite the attempts of these pressure groups, society is set in a direction where gender roles will continue to lose relevance, and they can't do anything about it.

Unless they understand the real causes behind it, but they'd never want to tackle them.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Not that I consciously remember. Now, he would help me take showers when I was little (like shampooing my hair for me and rinsing), but I don't remember actually ever being in a shower or bath with him.

Okay, this thread is really starting to creep me out.

Why ?? You do realize when you were very little that he would have washed you all over right? My son is usually given baths but sometimes I find it easier and quicker to bring him inthe shower. What's the big deal??

[Ben Kenobi]

Why would I want to agree with it? Most of it seems contrary to everything I've ever witnessed or learned from reputable conduits of knowledge.

Most of it? Does that mean there are a few kernels of truth? What things do you agree with?

I've got gay friends that never once displayed any of the tendencies this guy mentions, and are still bastions of masculinity today, but prefer the company of men, so-to-speak.

And less than macho men who like women. You can always find folks who don't fit the general pattern. That doesn't mean some of these points here aren't valid, particularly regarding the role of fathers.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Jon Miller



edit: I would like to add that I am not particularly effeminate

JM

SURE SURE you're not

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm sure you could find some circlejerks of ignorance that are more to your liking Ben.

As opposed to this circlejerk of enlightenment?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Some of it makes sense to me, especially the statement that boys without a male role model in their lives are going to find things more difficult in finding their own male role.

I can agree with that. Role models can be important but I'm betting that people without them are more likley to be a dysfunctional wife-beating homophobe

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Flubber
Why ?? You do realize when you were very little that he would have washed you all over right? My son is usually given baths but sometimes I find it easier and quicker to bring him inthe shower. What's the big deal??

I didn't mean that it was creepy for you to take your kid into the shower, I meant that I was creeped out by thinking about whether or not I've ever showered with my dad. Who really wants to think about that?

[Ben Kenobi]

Role models can be important but I'm betting that people without them are more likley to be a dysfunctional wife-beating homophobe

Why homophobe? Ain't it enough to be a wife beater, or do you have to be a homophobe to be truly awful?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Most of it? Does that mean there are a few kernels of truth? What things do you agree with?

Well even in crap there is stuff I can agree with. I didn't do a complete line by line but here is a sample of statements in there I agree with

Originally posted by FoTF
You needn't worry about occasional cross-dressing.

I don't and won't.

Originally posted by FOTF
He may start using his mother's makeup.

He may avoid other boys in the neighborhood and their rough-and-tumble activities and prefer being with his sisters instead, who play with dolls and dollhouses.

Later he may start speaking in a high-pitched voice.

He may affect the exaggerated gestures and even the walk of a girl, or become fascinated with long hair, earrings and scarves.

Yes boys will playact as girls and vice-versa-- so what??

Originally posted by FOTF



t is important to understand, however, that most of my homosexual clients were not explicitly feminine when they were children.


A boy can be sensitive, kind, social, artistic, gentle—and be heterosexual. He can be an artist, an actor, a dancer, a cook, a musician—and heterosexual. These innate artistic skills are "who he is," part of the wonderful range of human abilities, and there's no reason to discourage them. But they can all be developed within the context of normal heterosexual manhood.

I might dispute the use of the word "normal" but in my head I choose to amend it to " normal heterosexual or homosexual manhood"

Originally posted by FOTF
In my opinion (and in the opinion of an increasing number of researchers), the father plays an essential role in a boy's normal development as a man.

I am a father. How could I dispute I will have a key role in my son's development. Its just that my view of his "normal" development would include the possibility that he would be homosexual.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why homophobe? Ain't it enough to be a wife beater, or do you have to be a homophobe to be truly awful?

Being a wife-beater usually comes from the idea that your "male role" allows you to beat your woman. It's a gender role pushed to the extreme.

An extreme adhesion to gender roles bears homophobia in itself, along with intolerance toward all kinds of behaviours that don't fit gender roles.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


I didn't mean that it was creepy for you to take your kid into the shower, I meant that I was creeped out by thinking about whether or not I've ever showered with my dad. Who really wants to think about that?

I suppose. I just thought about myself and while I assume I might have been at some point, I can't recall it as i was likely too young. Thinking about it didn't creep me out at all though.

Oh-oh-- since I'm straight and you are gay, Ben K will pounce on this as evidence of SOMETHING dire.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Being a wife-beater usually comes from the idea that your "male role" allows you to beat your woman. It's a gender role pushed to the extreme.

Yes -- the point is that someone without good role models will not have experienced positive inter-gender relationships

Originally posted by Spiffor

An extreme adhesion to gender roles bears homophobia in itself, along with intolerance toward all kinds of behaviours that don't fit gender roles.

Again -- less experience can mean more extreme viewpoints




My son will never see a hand raised in anger-- to him or anyone else. This SHOULD mean that as an adult, the violence aspect will not occurr to him either