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  • Secession Thread II - Canadian version: Canada, "the Argentina of the 21st century"


    Time for Alberta to exit, stage right?
    By LINK BYFIELD -- Calgary Sun

    A University of Alberta professor I know sent me a lengthy article he's trying to get published, entitled: "Let's get while the getting's good."

    In it, Leon Craig, professor emeritus of political science, lays out a case for Alberta to declare unilateral independence. And he lays it out well.

    Craig makes no bones about it.

    Alberta, he says, should go it alone.

    Almost overnight, we would become one of the most prosperous nations in the world.

    But -- and this is his key point -- the main reason to secede is not because Albertans would have more money. Not that there's anything wrong with money.

    More importantly, we would create a country that reflects our own political and social beliefs, values and traditions, and our understanding of the common good.

    Canada, says Craig, has been so badly governed since the Trudeau era, it has doomed itself to a Third World, banana republic fate.

    We will become -- are in fact becoming -- the Argentina of the 21st century.


    Political corruption gets rewarded instead of punished, productivity slides, and the opportunistic politics of envy becomes the basis of our whole system of national government.

    The only promising place left in Canada, he concludes, is Alberta.

    And Alberta owes it to itself, to its future citizens, and to like-minded people in the rest of the country to save itself.

    As a sovereign and independent nation, he suggests, our population -- viable to begin with -- would double in 10 years, even allowing for a welcome exodus of Albertans who would be happier back in Canada.

    Far more good people move to take advantage of opportunity than flee from it.

    Our social policies -- marriage and family matters, medicare, civil and religious freedoms, etc. -- would no longer be imposed by the Supreme Court and a handful of Ottawa mandarins.

    We could establish our own laws to deal with crime and punishment, and our own separate relationship with the Americans.

    If we don't do these things now, he says, we'll sink with the Canadian ship.

    The professor dismisses the idea of "refederating" Canada along its original lines of strong provinces and a small central government.

    He thinks the rest of the country is too far gone to change back to what it was.

    He even gives short shrift to the "West."

    Any attempt to create a new federalism, even in the West, he believes will fail. If other western provinces, or parts of provinces, want to join Alberta, by becoming part of it, they should be welcomed.

    All that binds Albertans to Canada, he concludes, is sentiment -- an attachment to Canada's once-illustrious military and pioneer past, and to our own provincial part in it.

    We must now face the fact that the old Canada is gone forever and the new Canada is disgusting.

    So what are we to make of all this?

    It's hard to argue against his analysis of the problem.

    The Trudeau delusion that you can build a credible nation with "national social programs" is so shallow it's absurd.

    And given the stern rejection of the Reform party by eastern Canadians, it's impossible to refute that the only forceful thing Albertans can do is to separate.

    Where I disagree with my friend is whether we owe any allegiance to other Canadians.

    What is driving more and more Albertans towards separatism is the fact that our original constitutional arrangement -- the political bargain on which Canada was built -- has long since been obliterated by the national government.

    Had that not happened, Canada would not be in its present ugly mess.

    Alberta is the only province with both the means and the motive to force a restoration of those original terms. Not by asking. By telling.

    But we owe it to our nine federal partners -- the other provinces -- to state the terms on which we would be willing to stay. This is something we have never done.

    Only if those terms are refused should we decide on independence.
    How would Canadian provinces divide up if Canada did split up?

    Alberta & New Canada
    or
    Quebec & "we're not Quebec" Canada
    or ?

  • #2
    If the Albertans somehow actually were going through with it, I Imagine it would be stopped at the last minute by the rest of Canada negotiating special treatement for Alberta that would allow it to enjoy everything it hoped to gain from independance while remaining an integral part of Canada.

    There is no way in hell an actual secession would occur, imho.

    Of course I'm no expert of even the most trivial sort on Canadian politics so I'll graciously bow to the insight of any of our Canadians who might show me wrong about this.

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    • #3
      If Alberta ever had the balls to exit, I just want to let my Federal Canadian friends that I am willing to volunteer my services as a modern day American filibusterer.
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      • #4

        Canada, says Craig, has been so badly governed since the Trudeau era, it has doomed itself to a Third World, banana republic fate.

        We will become -- are in fact becoming -- the Argentina of the 21st century.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Geronimo
          If the Albertans somehow actually were going through with it, I Imagine it would be stopped at the last minute by the rest of Canada negotiating special treatement for Alberta that would allow it to enjoy everything it hoped to gain from independance while remaining an integral part of Canada.

          There is no way in hell an actual secession would occur, imho.
          I agree, but like the last secession thread we'll assume this is outside of hell and a division actually does occur.

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          • #6
            This guy is a whackjob. Canada, third world nation
            meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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            • #7
              Is Link Byfield any relation to Ted Byfield, the Alberta Report guy?

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              • #8
                waht a marioon
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                • #9
                  He makes a good case.

                  Canada needs Alberta more than Alberta needs Canada, it's time to pull a Quebec and start holding polls and threatening to ditch.
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                  • #10
                    Alberta reminds me of a whiny spoiled little brat child with all the toys and doesn't want to share.
                    My oil, mine,me, all mine, me, all about me, don't share, all me waaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

                    Yes it would be great. Alberta separates. Then the world dumps fossils fuels and finds an alternative.
                    Oh god I would laugh and laugh.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Max Webster
                      Alberta reminds me of a whiny spoiled little brat child with all the toys and doesn't want to share.
                      My oil, mine,me, all mine, me, all about me, don't share, all me waaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

                      Yes it would be great. Alberta separates. Then the world dumps fossils fuels and finds an alternative.
                      Oh god I would laugh and laugh.
                      This is just sad.
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                      • #12
                        Clearly we should just nationalise Alberta's oil reserves.
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                        • #13
                          Thanks for bringing this article to my attention.

                          There's quite a few things I can do with this.
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                          • #14
                            Funny how one of the world's most developed nation, how the world's most appraised emigration country, can become a thrid world country in the pen of a whackjob.
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                            • #15
                              how the world's most appraised emigration country


                              What does that have to do with anything?
                              urgh.NSFW

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