The Star Wars vs Star Trek Thread; because it's been awhile.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Then respond to my post script about Species 8472.

Species 8472 isn't in the Milky Way galaxy, high speed.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Species 8472 isn't in the Milky Way galaxy, high speed.

Since you seemed to have missed it.

PS One Fed ship stopped an invasion by the Vong equivilant, Species 8472. How hard do you think it would be for the entire Federation to take on the Empire.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Since you seemed to have missed it.

PS One Fed ship stopped an invasion by the Vong equivilant, Species 8472. How hard do you think it would be for the entire Federation to take on the Empire.

Vong equlivant my fat white Navy ass. We're talking about a race that, for some inexplicable reason uses organic ships, from another dimension? How hard do you suppose would it be to modify nanites to go after S8472-exclusive genes? The New Republic had no problem with the Vong, and there was only ONE chromesome difference then.

I'm sure those nanites sure would be useful in breaking through Imperial shielding. Oh wait, no they wouldn't.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Lonestar
The New Republic had no problem with the Vong, and there was only ONE chromesome difference then.

Yes, that must be the reason they lost control of the Coruscant system and the Jedi are on the run for thier very lives.

for some inexplicable reason uses organic ships

Much like the Vong.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Yes, that must be the reason they lost control of the Coruscant system and the Jedi are on the run for thier very lives.

for some inexplicable reason uses organic ships

Much like the Vong.

Haven't you read Destiny's Way? That was when they devolped the bioweapon (which they then wussied out on using for fear of genocide.) and Akbar came out of retirement to set a trap which destroyed 5 Vong fleet groups, including killing the Warmaster.

Remnant begins with the Vong attacking the Imperials as a reatliatory action for providing the Galactic Alliance (the NR is no more) with the map of the Deep Core nessecary for the trap. Bastion falls, but Pelleon kicks the sh*t out of them at Yaga Minor, then launches an attack on Vong holdings in the outer rim.

Incidently, the Bothans have declared that "The highest state of war" exists between the Bothan people and the Vong, which can only win with the Vong being wiped out.

[BustaMike]

I guess Star Wars must be superior. After all... their ships make noise when they fly around in a vacuum. By blatantly ignoring the fact that sound does not exist in a vacuum, Star Wars has proven it's superiority .

BTW, I realize Star Trek is guilty of this also, but not to anywhere near the same degree as Star Wars.

[DinoDoc]

Haven't you read Destiny's Way?

I haven't read anything past Vector Prime.

[DinoDoc]

BTW: I thought that I would clear up the misconception that the Federation is pinko.

From "The Devil In The Dark":

Vanderburg : "Just wanted to tell you the eggs have started to hatch, Captain. First thing the little devils do is start to tunnel! We've already hit huge new pergium deposit. I'm afraid to tell you how much gold and platinum and rare earths we've uncovered."

Kirk : "I'm delighted to hear that chief. Once mother Horta tells her children what to look for, you people are going to be embarrassingly rich!"

Now to put the nail in the coffin, "Mudd's Women":

Mudd : "Oh, you beautiful galaxy! Oh that heavenly universe! Well girls, lithium miners! Don't you understand? Lonely, isolated overworked, rich lithium miners! Do you still want husbands? Hmm? Evie, you were going to be satisfied with a ship's captain? I'll get you a man who can buy you a whole planet!"

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by BustaMike
I guess Star Wars must be superior. After all... their ships make noise when they fly around in a vacuum. By blatantly ignoring the fact that sound does not exist in a vacuum, Star Wars has proven it's superiority .

BTW, I realize Star Trek is guilty of this also, but not to anywhere near the same degree as Star Wars.

Every, and I repeat every episode of ST I've seen wherein space combat was featured had lots of sound. Loud explosions, phaser fire, etc. And as someone pointed out, one of the original series's plot points involved the Enterprise getting hit by a sonic wave in space. So don't give me this crap that SW is somehow more guilty!

[Lonestar]

So...You saying you want the TOS Federation to be the ones to fight the Empire?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Lonestar
So...You saying you want the TOS Federation to be the ones to fight the Empire?

I'm saying the Feds aren't a bunch of pinkos. Drawing another conclusion is reaching on your part.

[Boris Godunov]

Re: I got your "canon" right here...

Originally posted by Straybow
I don't see anything that indicates the Core Worlds are near the core of the galaxy.

Gee, the fact that they are referred to as "Core Worlds" would seem to indicate as such. There's nothing that refutes such a notion in any SW source, so saying this is just assumption.

Besides, plenty of official sources explicitly say say the Core worlds are indeed in the core. You can see the attached map, from Star Wars: Behind the Magic book, which is from the movie makers (so closer to canon than officila sources).

In fact, the history of the Sith implies that the Empire was confined to one side of the galaxy, with the Sith homeworld established opposite the galactic core by I-forget-who. A whole empire of previously unknown races was conquered by the Sith. A Sith battle fleet that invaded the Corelian side, generations later, was miraculously wiped out by I-forget-what-improbable-plot-device. The other side of the galaxy was never throughly explored by the Empire, much less controlled.

Nothing there contradicts the Empire having control over territory that spans the entire galaxy. Official sources repeatedly say that only a quarter of the galaxy is unexplored, and it doesn't indicate that is continguous unexplored space, as opposed to isolated unexplored systems. It is most likely the systems forming the veyr outer-most ring of the galaxy.

Yes, ST series have plenty of oddities but Roddenberry never claimed to establish a "canon." As ridiculous as Q or the shapeshifters may be they are used to explore some curious ideas. I can't say that Ewoks do the same.

Yeah, but how about them tribbles?

Endor was originally supposed to be a Wookie colony, hence the believability that they might overcome a battallion of Stormtroopers despite lack of energy weapons. Anakin was supposed to be a teenager, hence the assertion that he was too old to safely train (and the like implications in ESB regarding Luke). Both of these were dumbed down during production to appeal to preadolescent audiences.

Whatever changes were made prior to filming doesn't effect what is canon, and certainly doesn't contradict anything. What makes into the films is canon, simple as that. I'm sure ST writers have changed their minds from orginal plots often--so what?

As for Luke's being too old to train--clearly that was not the case, as he did train and became an incredibly powerful Jedi. Yoda's saying this was likely BS--he was making excuses for not wanting to train another Skywalker and maybe have unleash another Vader on the galaxy.

I admit that the two new films don't interest me and I've only seen each once, but didn't the Jedi council express reservations about training Anakin because he was so young?

[Boris Godunov]

Oops, forgot the map!

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

I'm saying the Feds aren't a bunch of pinkos. Drawing another conclusion is reaching on your part.

They are in the 24st century.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Lonestar
They are in the 24st century.

No they aren't.

"The Gift":

Janeway : "Ah! Tuvok's meditation lamp! I was with him when he got it, six years ago, from a Vulcan master - who doubled the price when he saw our Starfleet insignias."