The Star Wars vs Star Trek Thread; because it's been awhile.

[raghar]

Best space combat was in the Nadeshiko.

Ships wasn't brawling with each other. It is interesting what could be done with few cuts. Tactic was reasonable. Just you can't view Year of hell (was it name of that ST voyager episode?) again after seeing Nadeshiko 24-26 episodes. Too much hiting head to the table, and then run to view Nadeshiko.

[raghar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

According to Krammerman, stormtrooper armor is immune to ballistic weapons, so why would they care what the teddy bears wear firing?

Arrows are piercing weapons.
Armor tailored to low size kinetic projectiles would have hard time, as Spain's troops discovered in latin Amerika.

[GePap]

Does the Duneverse say anyting about space Combat? Cause if the Empire, B5 forces, or ST ships can control the araes between planets then Dune has no chance, spcially once planetkillers come into play.

[Drake Tungsten]

Does the Duneverse say anyting about space Combat?

Space travel in general is extremely vague in the Dune series, so it's hard to come to any conclusions about the capabilities of Dune forces in space combat. However, I'm sure I could dig up some favorable info, call it "canon" and argue till my face turns blue. It certainly has worked for others on this thread...

[Lonestar]

GePap, Dune says Jack diddly about space Combat. In the later books there was a weapon that seemed to have the SW/First Ones "Scorching the Planet" effect, but that was late in the game, with there being no unified political system anyway.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Space travel in general is extremely vague in the Dune series, so it's hard to come to any conclusions about the capabilities of Dune forces in space combat. However, I'm sure I could dig up some favorable info, call it "canon" and argue till my face turns blue. It certainly has worked for others on this thread...

Well, i just go by TV episodes and movies I have seen.

And from what I have seen, go First ones! (I have read about much more powerful forcs, but they are not privy to the discussion).

[Drake Tungsten]

GePap, Dune says Jack diddly about space Combat. In the later books there was a weapon that seemed to have the SW/First Ones "Scorching the Planet" effect, but that was late in the game, with there being no unified political system anyway.

The later Dune books are just as relevant (if not more so) than all the Extended Universe crap that has been trotted out by Boris and other SW groupies. At least the later Dune books were written by the original creator of the series.

The later books really do suck, however...

[raghar]

Originally posted by GePap
Does the Duneverse say anyting about space Combat? Cause if the Empire, B5 forces, or ST ships can control the araes between planets then Dune has no chance, spcially once planetkillers come into play.

No ships could destroy planet and disapear without trace. You would never know who did it. No ships could hide in normal space and wait on its prey. This means ST or SW would have no chance for control the areas between planets.
You should know that Bio weapons in Dune was common, infiltration of opponents too. And worst news is that population in Dune was after several hundred years of genetical modifications and breeding experiments.
Guess who would have best Jedi after few centuries. (and who would calmly wait few centuries for any chance)


"no ship" is name of type of advanced ships in Dune.

[Drake Tungsten]

"no ship" is name of type of advanced ships in Dune.

The "no-ships" were designed to be invisible to the prescient sight of certain groups, particularly the descendants of Muad Dib. I don't know if there is any evidence that they were equally invisible to the normal methods of detection that the ST, SW and B5 forces would use. Herbert never dealt with space travel in much detail; he was far more interested in the philosophy of his world than the actual technology.

[Urban Ranger]

Dune? Good lord, Heinlein sucked at science. Niven's Known Universe is far better.

[Drake Tungsten]

Heinlein didn't write Dune, genius...

edit: Jesus, I even mentioned Herbert's name in the post right before yours. How stupid are you?

[Lonestar]

[GePap]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Niven's Known Universe is far better.

I like the known universe, but Niven got himself stuck with that stupid "luck" gene bit. We also never learn enough about this other race the Kzin were fighting.

And the whole ringworld, protector angle is not covered enough.

Brin's Uplift universe is just as interesting, with more innovative ideas.

And B5 still mops the floor with SW, or ST!

[Drake Tungsten]

And B5 still mops the floor with SW, or ST!

But not Dune...

[GePap]

The Dune universe was wisely left out of the poll....