The Star Wars vs Star Trek Thread; because it's been awhile.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

They just prefer to destroy entire planets.

Which isn't the same as genocide.

"We had to destroy planet in order to save it..."

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Which isn't the same as genocide.

It's much more efficient.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Ming


Anybody that knows Bab 5 knows in their heart that the Empire or Federation wouldn't stand a chance against the First Ones... So they just ignore this simple fact and try to argue who has the fastest ships... like that really matters...

Don't make me laugh...the "First Ones" have paper-thin ships that are vulnerable to Thermonuclear weapons. hell, even Federation ships aren't that weak!

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


The only canonical source for Star Wars is George Lucas! WWGLS!

Even if we were to accept your argument,(which is nonsense, as George Lucas himself has said EU sources are considered canon unless contradicted by the movies, and even then, only that portion of the book is consideed void), the ANH novelization was written by Lucas.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
The only canonical source for Star Wars is George Lucas! WWGLS!

By this logic, the only canonical source for Star Trek is Gene Roddenberry, and since he is dead, anything made after his death wouldn't be considered canonical. Do you really want to go that route?

[GePap]

How the hell do TIE fighters move sideways? Earthforce fighters can do manuevers no fighters in Star Wars can do (as in, no need of r aturning radius). IN fighter to fighter battles the Star Wars fighters are toast.

As I said, since Star Wars uses the least real sicnece, they can mke stuff up, and hence "win".

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by GePap
How the hell do TIE fighters move sideways? Earthforce fighters can do manuevers no fighters in Star Wars can do (as in, no need of r aturning radius). IN fighter to fighter battles the Star Wars fighters are toast.

As I said, since Star Wars uses the least real sicnece, they can mke stuff up, and hence "win".

SW Fighters are quite maneuverable. One of the favorite tactics for quick maneuvers is to cut one of the twin engines, thereby executing near-instant turns at sharp angles. Regardless, sheer numerical superiority + Imperial willingness to sustain huge casualties would negate any fighter advantage.

Ya know, the notion that ST is somehow scientifically superior is bunk. ST just employs more technobabble (which often paints it into limiting corners, actually). It's not any more scientifically sound in most instances. The ST writers just had more interest in delving for scientific-sounding terminology.

[GePap]

I don't buy it:

Star Trek originated fomr a sci-fi writer and they have at least attempted to keep a veneer or sicence. Star wars came from a man who wanted a space fantasy epic: it was only other afterwards who deiced to give it science. I would agree that ST still has far less science than B5, which attempted to put in the most science...but is certainly not 100% pure either.


Oh, and fighetr in B5 don't have to cut their power to do such turns. They are designed with such manuevers in mind. One of them could always move vertically to avoid the fire(though the strain on the pilot would be very high)

[Elok]

I don't follow the technical details of any of the series, so I just voted banana...anyway, from what I've seen of Trek, the original series was just as much a flight of fancy as star wars, and made some mistakes of its own. Like that one episode where the Enterprise got hit by a sonic weapon while floating in empty space...not that I think valuing entertainment over scientific verity is a bad thing. TOS was watchable. The later ones got so bogged down in "reality" that they lost all sense of wonder. Watching the recent series is like getting your teeth pulled.
Anyway, I'm going with the empire if we ignore the fact that I'm ignorant of all the mass/thrust ratios and whatnot. Their ships are bigger than Trek's, if I remember right, and they have the spooky jedi thing going on.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
It takes Han a matter of hours to traverse from the outer rim (Tatooine) to the Core (Alderaan). That's at least 30,000 ly in hours.

That's the core worlds of the Empire, not the core of the galaxy.

The whole idea of "canon" in SW is laughable, especially coming from Lucas. He's managed to defy "canon" in each movie he's made so far! Like Wookies replaced by Ewoks in RoJ, and where the heck did "midi-chlorians" come from in Ep I?!? Everything is pulled from Lucas' @ss and then reverse engineered into "canon."

Ming, I don't recall there is anything such as "shields" in B5. The Mimbari ships were invulnerable because they couldn't be targetted by any sensors the Earth forces had. Shadow ships certainly didn't have shields, they just had the ability to slip in and out of hyperspace to avoid detection and enemy attacks.

[Ming]

Shields would be worthless against the power of the weapons. We are talking planet killer weapons... ships wouldn't stand a chance, even with the wimpy shielding.

[Master Zen]

Too much sci-fi-techo-babble going on about two series that are simply figments of someone's imagination.

Putting it simply:

Star Trek is for sci-fi nerds who have nothing better to do than mingle on details of things that don't even exist and will never exist (at least not exactly like that)

Star Wars is for cool people like me who just want to watch a kick-ass flick and then get on with an active social life.

oh, and don't forget,

I AM YOUR FATHER

[Master Zen]

Oh, and anyone who has ever played X-Wing or TIE Fighters knows that those are the ultimate space simulators

[Richard Bruns]

Wow, this thread is longer than almost all the threads about the real war.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Straybow

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
It takes Han a matter of hours to traverse from the outer rim (Tatooine) to the Core (Alderaan). That's at least 30,000 ly in hours.

That's the core worlds of the Empire, not the core of the galaxy.

The Core Worlds are those that are closest to the core of the galaxy that were first colonized by humans from Coruscant. Going from the Outer Rim to a Core World is going to be a journey of tens of thousands of light years, no matter what.

The whole idea of "canon" in SW is laughable, especially coming from Lucas. He's managed to defy "canon" in each movie he's made so far! Like Wookies replaced by Ewoks in RoJ, and where the heck did "midi-chlorians" come from in Ep I?!? Everything is pulled from Lucas' @ss and then reverse engineered into "canon."

I don't see how what Lucas has done is any different from what the writers of Star Trek have done. You scoff at "midi-chlorians" (which I also think are dumb), but what about ST's Q race and the Founders? Might as well have magic pixies, too.

And what are you talking about with the Wookies and Ewoks? The Ewoks didn't replace Wookies at all, so I'm not sure what you mean.