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    Klein warns Ottawa of separation threat
    Throne speech sends signal

    Tom Olsen, Legislature Bureau Chief
    Calgary Herald

    Wednesday, February 19, 2003

    The Alberta government used its speech from the throne to warn Ottawa of separation threats in the province and signal a growing sentiment Albertans feel left out of the essential workings of the country.

    "I think Canadians understand Albertans are proud Canadians who want to be part of the Canadian mosaic," said Premier Ralph Klein after the speech, delivered Tuesday by Lt.-Gov. Lois Hole.

    "But you can't be part of the Canadian family if big brother down there in Ottawa doesn't want you as part of the family."

    Political opponents immediately accused the premier of picking a fight with Ottawa to cloud the province's performance on health care, education and other issues.

    "They have raised the red herring of national unity," said New Democrat Leader Raj Pannu.

    In the speech, Hole said Albertans want to be full partners in Confederation, "but true partnership is only possible when all parties are respected and valued for what they bring to the table.

    "Alberta's ability to be a partner in Canada is compromised by the current federal government, which often does not listen to the people of this province."

    Klein said the intent was to inform Ottawa of Alberta's commitment to the country, but the province would rigorously fight for its voice on national issues.

    "Yes, I think it's a warning," said Klein. "I don't know what we're going to do other than continue to press the federal government to listen to our concerns, to pay attention to Albertans, to understand what a tremendous asset this province is to Confederation.

    "It goes without saying -- and don't slay the messenger -- there are a few people out there who unfortunately are talking separation.

    "I want to quell that. I don't like that kind of talk, but the federal government needs to be aware there is that kind of talk out there.

    "So all I'm saying to the feds is, 'Listen to us, don't give us the cold shoulder.' "

    Klein pointed to the national gun registry, the Kyoto accord and Senate reform as areas where Albertans were largely ignored.

    Alberta Liberal Leader Ken Nicol said the province has fallen short in so many areas it has taken on Ottawa to cover it up.

    "They're picking a fight with the feds and bringing up this issue of separation, just to divert the attention away from children, health, education and infrastructure," he said.

    In the speech, the government promises significant new spending to build schools, hospitals and other facilities. No dollar figure was attached, but Klein earlier this month said it will amount to more than $3 billion over three years.

    New legislation will be introduced in a bid to increase competition in the electricity market and bring down costs to consumers.

    In health, the government will strike committees to come up with optimum wait times for people seeking services such as hip replacements and consultations with specialists.

    "That's because even with one-third of all government spending going to health care, too many people are still waiting too long in emergency and for diagnostics, surgery, long-term care and other services," said Hole.

    "It will set limits on how long Albertans would wait for selected services like consultations with specialists and some major surgical procedures."

    The province will also move on establishing clinics staffed around the clock by doctors and nurses.

    School boards were given $20 million to spend on textbooks and other resources -- a sum far short of expectations of some boards looking for millions of dollars to cover the costs of last year's 14 per cent arbitrated settlement with teachers.

    Edmonton public school district has a $13.5-million deficit it says is caused by the wage settlement.

    The province will also increase benefits to low-income seniors, and will introduce fiscal reform that will allow the private sector to build public facilities, and will create a stabilization fund to smooth year-to-year program spending.

    The major new initiative outlined in the throne speech will create the Alberta Centre for Child, Family and Community Research, a non-profit organization dedicated to helping kids.

    Taken in tandem with the government's flagship bill, the Premier's Council on Alberta's Promise Act, the province "will enshrine in law this government's commitment to children and youth," said Hole.

    The council will be made up of more than 60 corporate players and other stakeholders, and will concentrate on identifying necessary programs for kids, and lead fundraising efforts to increase their viability.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

  • #2
    You're just playing into the hands of the US. you will rebel, the yanks will chew you up, spit the pieces, and take over you, making you another state.
    urgh.NSFW

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    • #3
      actually, some of those canadian states are quite large. couldn't we make them multiple states in the us?

      that'd be kinda cool.
      B♭3

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Azazel
        You're just playing into the hands of the US. you will rebel, the yanks will chew you up, spit the pieces, and take over you, making you another state.
        Thanks Azazel.

        Only the problem is, historically, Canada "chewed us up, spit the pieces, took over us" and won't even give us the ability to elect senators as a province.

        Many of the sepatationists believe we'd be better off as a US state or US territory, and I can't say their logic is flawed economically and politically. The problem is for that to happen, people in Alberta need to stop thinking they're Canadian.
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #5
          Klein pointed to the national gun registry, the Kyoto accord and Senate reform as areas where Albertans were largely ignored.

          Silly Ralph, We were ALL ignored.

          We should just separate from Ottawa and Quebec City.

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          • #6
            Quebec:
            "We want to seperate!"

            Mr. Chretien:
            "Here's some cash. Now go away."

            Alberta/the West:
            "We want a bigger role in Canada!"

            "Eh, sorry?"

            *Hands more money to Quebec*

            "Not Quebec, us. Help us out here."

            "Eh, sorry?"

            *Hands more money to Quebec*

            "That's it, give us money or we'll seperate"

            "You're bluffing. Now go away."


            Klein will have to talk with BC, if he is intent on seperation. No way Ontario will take Albertan secession seriously without BC as well.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Azazel
              You're just playing into the hands of the US. you will rebel, the yanks will chew you up, spit the pieces, and take over you, making you another state.
              Alberta has enough wealth to make it on its own if they really do leave.

              Besides, we seem to treat out states a little better than Canada so they may like joining us.
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              • #8
                Alberta is one of only two or three "have" provinces in Canada. All of the other provinces are considered "have not" provinces by the government.

                Fiscally and socially Alberta could survive on its own, but it'd make more sense to become a US territory or state. It's just more complicated being a new country.
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #9
                  OK, then, no objections here.

                  I always like the Idea of NA joining under a single banner.
                  urgh.NSFW

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Azazel
                    I always like the Idea of NA joining under a single banner.
                    We really don't want all of them though.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc

                      We really don't want all of them though.
                      Ok, You just take Lower Quebec and Sask.

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                      • #12
                        Make it Alberta and BC instead and you have a deal.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc
                          Make it Alberta and BC instead and you have a deal.
                          Only if you take Lower Quebec and Sask.

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                          • #14
                            What's so enticing about BC? Is it just so Alaska would be connected properly?
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #15
                              DD: you can give Quebec to the French.
                              urgh.NSFW

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