The Most Dominating Aircraft Ever?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Drekkus
The Sopwith Camel is the most widely known. It was a good plane but very difficult to fly, spinned easily.
The Sopwith Snipe, it's follow up, is regarded as the best allied plane. But it only went into service late in the war, so had less impact.

Yup, the Snipe was great a/c. A Canadian ace, William Barker, won a VC while flying a Snipe. He took on 60 FokkerD.VII

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Drekkus
The Sopwith Camel is the most widely known. It was a good plane but very difficult to fly, spinned easily.
The Sopwith Snipe, it's follow up, is regarded as the best allied plane. But it only went into service late in the war, so had less impact.

Yup, the Snipe was great a/c. Canadian ace William Barker won a VC while flying a Snipe.

He was on patrol Oct. 27, 1918 when he spotted a two-seater a/c. He shot it down, but then got attacked by a Fokker D.VIIs and was wounded in the right leg. Despite the wound, he shot it down. But then he found himself surrounded by a circus of Fokker D.VIIs. He fought his way through and sent two of them spinning down out of control. But he was wounded a second time, this time in his other leg.

The loss of blood from the wounds caused Barker to pass out. His plane went into a dive, but he regained consciousness only to find himself in the middle of another pack of Fokker D.VIIs. He took on one and shot it down, but in the process was wounded a third time, this time in arm.

He passed out again, the plane goes in a dive and he regains consciousness only to find himself in yet another group of Fokker D.VIIs. He shot down another one and then put his plane in a dive to make it to friendly territory. A fourth group of Fokker D.VIIs tried to cut him off, but he broke through and crash-landed on the Allied side. He survived the crash.

Observers estimate that Barker took on 60 Fokker D.VIIs by himself and was responsible for downing six a/c during the fight (including two that into a spin and crashed).

[Provost Harrison]

The Cessna

[Kaak]

The F-22 will blow the mig 25 out of the water. These guys can out run surface to air missiles...

[Serb]

Originally posted by Kaak
The F-22 will blow the mig 25 out of the water. These guys can out run surface to air missiles...

The same thing Su-47 could do. That's why both of them are fighters of fifth generation, their tactical technical caracteristics are much different from modern (fourth generation) planes.

[Alexander's Horse]

Too bad the Cold War is over - We could pump this guy for military information and maybe make some money out of it.

[Serb]

Too bad the Cold War is over - We could pump this guy for military information and maybe make some money out of it.

You mean me or Kaak?

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Serb

He talk about Mig-25, it is STILL the most fast fighter. None fighter still beat it's speed record.

Try 1999 Yugoslavia. The few OLD versions of Mig 29 shoot down your planes. At nowdays Airforces of countries are upgrade not only because of new types of planes, but mostly by new electronics, weapons systems etc. If NEWEST modifications of Mig or Su were used by Serbs (regeretfuly they wer unable to upgrade their AF in proper time) then results of your campaign were different. Anyhow you have ten times more planes then Serbs. USA a real great country with superior Air Forces and army unable to handle even with weakest opponents by it's self, always create a coalition. this is the sighn of real great power.

When did MiG-29's shoot down are planes over Yugoslavia? This never happened. We lost 3 aircraft to SAM fire.

The serbs tried to send 4 MiG-29's and 2 MiG-21's to Bosnia early on the war. F-15's shoot all of them down. No losses to there own.

Blah...Blah....Blah......
BULLSH!T. Especialy about MIG-29. MIG-29 one of the best planes ever and of course it match up to F-15 and SU-27 is superior then F-15.

Thats a load bullocks. MiG-29 has its advantages of manuevrability . The F-15 can shoot your manuevering ass down from 30 miles away. Before you can even see us.

And remember how your specialists were shoked about Mig-25 electronics, FoF, etc and weapons when one our traitor land it in Japan in 80s?
Ah.. Almost forget who do you think created your stealth planes?
Soviet engineer Ufimtsev, who immigrated in USA in 60s

Ufimtsev great thinker at Skunkworks did indeed create Stealth. And had alot to do with F117 designs. But the whole concept was learned of it from the Nazi's...who accidentaly stumbled upon it and didnt realize it. They thought they had lost there prototype aircraft. Because they lost radar contact. It turned out ; unknowningly, it was the first stealth aircraft.

Anyway. Ya the communists thought Ufimsev was an idiot. Thats why he came here.

And remember how your specialists were shoked about Mig-25 electronics, FoF, etc and weapons when one our traitor land it in Japan in 80s?
Ah.. Almost forget who do you think created your stealth planes?
Soviet engineer Ufimtsev, who immigrated in USA in 60s

Shocked? We were suprised at the MiG-29. And the MiG-25. but the facts are, while the MiG-25 is the fastest airplane. It cant go that fast cause of G-force. And the MiG-25 electronics are still lacking.Soviet Radar's and Computer systems are pale in comparison to European and American standerds.

[Serb]

The serbs tried to send 4 MiG-29's and 2 MiG-21's to Bosnia early on the war. F-15's shoot all of them down. No losses to there own.

First, I suppose you have ten times more planes when you attacked this group. Second, I saw how Serbian fighters were awarded because of they shoot down a NATO planes. You might say that this is a Serbian propaganda, I'll answer- no less then your propaganda about your actions.

Shocked? We were suprised at the MiG-29. And the MiG-25. but the facts are, while the MiG-25 is the fastest airplane. It cant go that fast cause of G-force. And the MiG-25 electronics are still lacking.Soviet Radar's and Computer systems are pale in comparison to European and American standerds.

American standerds??? WTF is it? This is myth that our electronics systems are backwards, as well as myth about superiority of your AAM. Try to watch Hollywood patriotic movies a little less.

[Lonestar]

FG, F-16's shot them all down, not F-15's.


Speciafically, twenty year old ill-maintained Dutch F-16's.


Myth about Russian electronics being backward? There is no myth. Russian Electronics ARE backwards.

Russian SAMs and Heavy-lift boosters however.....


(Lockheed Martin recently began buying Energia-designed Rocket engines for their boosters, a testament to superior Russian space luanching tech)

[Richelieu]

The CL-415 is the best of the best!

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Russian SAMs and Heavy-lift boosters however.....


(Lockheed Martin recently began buying Energia-designed Rocket engines for their boosters, a testament to superior Russian space luanching tech)

How could you say such heresy? Americans will burn you for those words, no doubt.
Everybody knows that American space technology is the best, the far superior and they are the greatest in space.
*throwing up*

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Serb
Second, I saw how Serbian fighters were awarded because of they shoot down a NATO planes. You might say that this is a Serbian propaganda, I'll answer- no less then your propaganda about your actions.

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Ya I saw the crap aout Serbs shooting down 153 planes. Strangely ; 154 of them crashed in Hungary or in the Danube

Indeed. A pathetic show of force once again for Russian arms...how many more wars? Arab-Israeli wars, Gulf war, Libya Bombing, Allied force. How many wars until you finally admit you are WAY behind the game in terms of tactics and equipment.

Those serbian pilots were awarded for serbian eyes They shot down no US aircraft. The stealth was hit with a blindfired SA-2. A large telephone sized missile. The serbs would not dare turn on there ground radars. The Iraqi's will tell you all about the HARM missiles we send,when they turn on there radars.

American standerds??? WTF is it? This is myth that our electronics systems are backwards, as well as myth about superiority of your AAM. Try to watch Hollywood patriotic movies a little less.

Iraqi MiG-29's fired a total 150 radar guided Soviet made AAM's during the air war. None hit...and moreover. THe only Iraqi air-to-air shootdown was an idiot who shot down his Mirage wingman ; and then later crashed into the ground.

First, I suppose you have ten times more planes when you attacked this group.

No ; I believe it was either a Pair of F-15's or 16's.

[-=Vagrant=-]

They flew Fokker D-XXI as well.

They count as airplanes? I forgot all about those Fokkers, they did some real damage to the invading Red Armys airforce. Even if they were a bit antique. Skilled pilots made the difference.

[Serb]

Indeed. A pathetic show of force once again for Russian arms...how many more wars? Arab-Israeli wars, Gulf war, Libya Bombing, Allied force. How many wars until you finally admit you are WAY behind the game in terms of tactics and equipment.

Arab-Israeli wars? WTF are you talking about? I think you gone start telling the stories how far superior Phantoms shoot down Migs again. Save your stories for yourself, I have absolutely different stories about this war.
Gulf war? Well may be, but Iraq don’t have modern MIGs, it AF consisted of old models and of course old models of MIG are no match for modern models of F-15, F-16, F-18, as well as old versions of your fighters are no match for modern versions of our fighters. For example do you know that Mig-29 has about dozen of versions? But I wonder if Iraq has any Mig-29, the majority of its AF consisted of old, “ancient” Migs.
Allied force? Which one?
And finally, all those wars you mentioned there was no direct fights of latest version Russian fighter vs. latest version of American fighter. The examples of such wars that come to mind are first- Korean War, second Vietnam War. Ask your veterans of those wars who survived the fight against Soviet fighters what they think about Russian planes.

The stealth was hit with a blindfired SA-2. A large telephone sized missile. The serbs would not dare turn on there ground radars. The Iraqi's will tell you all about the HARM missiles we send,when they turn on there radars.

First your officials (not you personally, American generals said this when Stealth was down) said it was mistake of the pilot and that it was technical crash, now you saying that it was hit by mysterious “telephone sized missile”. When you saying the truth then or now? Large telephone sized missile? Where did you get this, it sound very funny.

Iraqi MiG-29's fired a total 150 radar guided Soviet made AAM's during the air war. None hit...and moreover. THe only Iraqi air-to-air shootdown was an idiot who shot down his Mirage wingman ; and then later crashed into the ground.

Clearly you might believe in what you want, Iraq’s has different statistic and I don’t see any reason to prefer in Americans stats. But as I’ve said earlier Iraq has no chance to win against such enemy alone, as well as Yugoslavia, their Air Forces were equipped with old planes.

No ; I believe it was either a Pair of F-15's or 16's.

Glad that you said it was not a single Spit fighter vs. dozen of Mig-31. The next thing you gone say that NATO Air Forces and Yugoslavia’s Air Forces have equal number of planes. Face it man you have ten times more planes than Serb’s, there is no much honor in fight of ten against of one.