The Most Dominating Aircraft Ever?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb
I'll supose after all your efforts you'll be able to make such "mistake" only after 15-20 years and only if you steal our technology.

Consider it pay back for stealing the plans to our nuclear weapons.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


Consider it pay back for stealing the plans to our nuclear weapons.

And are space shuttle


Tho the Buran only flew once...it was a rip off of NASA's shuttle.

[Serb]

Originally posted by faded glory
Russian MiGs are DECADES behind us. Where have you been? The MiG-29 is no match for the F-15. All the MiG's suffer from a detretmental lack of electronics.

He talk about Mig-25, it is STILL the most fast fighter. None fighter still beat it's speed record.

Ask yourself, when was the last a MiG shot down an American made plane?
Try 1973.

Try 1999 Yugoslavia. The few OLD versions of Mig 29 shoot down your planes. At nowdays Airforces of countries are upgrade not only because of new types of planes, but mostly by new electronics, weapons systems etc. If NEWEST modifications of Mig or Su were used by Serbs (regeretfuly they wer unable to upgrade their AF in proper time) then results of your campaign were different. Anyhow you have ten times more planes then Serbs. USA a real great country with superior Air Forces and army unable to handle even with weakest opponents by it's self, always create a coalition. this is the sighn of real great power.

[QUOTE]Dogfighting yes,the MiG's are superior. But somebody needs to tell those crusty russian generals Dogfighting is an obsolete concept ;QUOTE]
Of course, the war with use of conventional weapons is an obsolete concept. Who need all those fighters and tanks if you able to destroy whole world with few pushes of buttons.

Yes the Russians had good cheap alternatives. But they just dont match up. The Electronics in a MiG-29 (80's) werent even on par with are 60's era F-4's. An Soviet AAM's have a very poor performance.

Blah...Blah....Blah......
BULLSH!T. Especialy about MIG-29. MIG-29 one of the best planes ever and of course it match up to F-15 and SU-27 is superior then F-15.
And remember how your specialists were shoked about Mig-25 electronics, FoF, etc and weapons when one our traitor land it in Japan in 80s?
Ah.. Almost forget who do you think created your stealth planes?
Soviet engineer Ufimtsev, who immigrated in USA in 60s.

Face it, generaly Russian planes are the best. I agree only that the F-14 Tomcat is really cool plane.

[Serb]

Originally posted by faded glory


And are space shuttle


Tho the Buran only flew once...it was a rip off of NASA's shuttle.

First in general we put bet on different concept. And we were right. Our one-time use rockets are cheaper then your multy-use shutles. The cost of cargo delivered on orbit with use of our rockets two times cheaper then cost of cargo delivered on orbit with use of your shutles.
Buran was only a toy for us.
And if you think that it was rip of shutle or if you think (as you prove above) that our electronics is bad, Then EXPLAIN the fact that Buran's first fly was made without crew. It was ABSOLUTELY aoutomatic fly without any pilots. It was able only because of our superior electronics. You shatles still unable to land in automatic regime. You shatles always landed by pilot.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Serb

As for WW2, IL-2 Ilyushin-2 (Black Death, Flying tank) is the best plane.

Damn - I was going to post that one as a joke

[TheBirdMan]

Could it be a Fokker?

You know, the company called their first model "The MotherFokker".

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Serb

The standard Soviet nozhnitsi (scissors) tactic decimated German columns and trains by flying pairs or line abreast Il-2 formations in opposing, cross over lowlevel S-turns, concentrating firepower while confusing anti-aircraft gunners and fighters...

Wouldn't that also lead to the planes shooting at each other?

[-=Vagrant=-]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


Damn - I was going to post that one as a joke

The Il-2 was the only plane that the Finnish soldiers feared and respected during the WW2. Finnish air force at that time: Brewster Buffalo and Me-109 fighters. Great combination.

[ravagon]

Originally posted by Serb

Then EXPLAIN the fact that Buran's first fly was made without crew. It was ABSOLUTELY aoutomatic fly without any pilots. It was able only because of our superior electronics. You shatles still unable to land in automatic regime. You shatles always landed by pilot.

Possibly something to do with the fact that no Russian pilot in his right mind would fly the deathtrap?
Very sensible those Ruskie pilots of yours...

[Serb]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


Wouldn't that also lead to the planes shooting at each other?

No, read it again, the main tasks of IL-2 were ground units. And btw, this quote was from Jane's Aircraft if it means something for you. of course.

[Serb]

Originally posted by ravagon


Possibly something to do with the fact that no Russian pilot in his right mind would fly the deathtrap?
Very sensible those Ruskie pilots of yours...

If you want to see a deathtrap, then look at your shuttles.
The question is not about that pilot want or don't want to fly. The question is about the Buran was build with use of technology and superior electronic which makes possible to flight in full automatic mode even without single pilot. This thing is your shuttle is UNABLE to do, so all your talks about our backwards in electronics is one, big piece of bullsh!t.

[Asher]

I don't think either of you have a clue what kind of electronics are used in either shuttle.

yay for pointless flaming.

Continue.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Asher
I don't think either of you have a clue what kind of electronics are used in either shuttle.

yay for pointless flaming.

Continue.

The pointless flaming is claim that Buran is the rip of shuttle only because it's shape is familiar with shape of shuttle (the aerodinamic dictate this shape nothing more), FG don't has any clue about Buran systems and electronics.
My claims based on FACT, the simple and unbeatable FACT that the Buran is the ONLY space ship capable to make space flights and the most important TO LAND without a single pilot.
What to you think it is able to fly without crew because of magic? May be powerful Russian wizards enchanted the rip of shuttle with powerful spell and make it able to fly without pilots?

[Asher]

Well, the Soviets did reverse engineer lots of American ****. Computers especially.

IBM even sent them manuals for some supercomputers in the 70s.

Also, having a remote control is no statement on electronics. I'm sure the shuttle could have easily done it when it first launched. It just doesn't make sense to do so, the whole point was to put humans into space...

[Jack the Bodiless]

The Wright Flyer was rather dominant for a few years...

But I'd also like to nominate the Zeppelin, for sheer psychological dominance. It was huge, slow, highly visible, largely invulnerable (at first, fighters couldn't reach its cruising altitude) and profoundly sinister, especially to people unfamiliar with aircraft. Rather like the giant alien city-busters in Independence Day. People were terrified of them.