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    • Originally posted by Serb
      Go to Peru, you know where to exactly, you have a map
      :LOL: Good one, no?
      Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
      Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
      Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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      • Yeah

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        • Is this the Russian version of Fox news?

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          • Regarding the poisoning issue, it should be fairly easy to determine whether he has been poisoned by dioxin or not. It accumulates in fatty tissues, so a small fat tissue sample should be enough. (of course, he may have been poisoned by a related compound that escapes detection by standard methods)
            One of the effects of dioxin is to inhibit the immune system, which could, as Serb pointed out, lead to secondary infections.
            I guess we will have to wait for conclusive data.

            Btw, thanks for the wonderful gift, Serb
            The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.

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            • I wouldn't expect less; even more. If you think Russia meddled in these elections less than ten times the European/Western nazi-lackeys, you are deluding yourself.

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              Russia meddling in neighbours politics
              Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
              Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
              Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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              • A much more reasonable article:

                Quentin Peel: Faultline between Russia and west
                By Quentin Peel

                Poor Ukraine. For centuries this great flat fertile plain has been the battleground for other people's empires - Russian, Polish, Lithuanian, German, you name it. Then, 13 years ago, the implosion of the Soviet Union thrust nationhood upon it - a nationhood dreamt of but never seriously expected. And now the territory seems destined to become once again a zone of confrontation between external forces, the new faultline between Russia and the west.

                As the cheated voters of Ukraine demonstrate in their tens of thousands on the streets of Kiev, demanding a recount to give victory to Viktor Yushchenko, the opposition candidate for president, the outside world is taking sides.

                Europe and America say the Russians started it, blatantly interfering in the Ukrainian election campaign to support Viktor Yanukovich, the incumbent prime minister, as the pro-Russian choice. Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, came twice to ensure that the message got through.

                Of course, ever since the Soviet Union disintegrated, Russians of all political persuasions have found it hard to accept that Ukraine should break away from the Motherland. Most Russians regard Ukrainian independence as an aberration, to be corrected in the fullness of time. That a Moscow government should make clear who is the preferred presidential candidate in Kiev is taken for granted.

                In some ways, the US and the European Union have been inviting a Russian backlash. They have made no secret of their preference for the "pro-western" Mr Yushchenko. This week Mr Putin gave his reply. In deeds, if not in words, he seems to be saying: "We won't let him win."

                The revival of cold war-style confrontation presents Ukrainians with a desperate dilemma. They cannot afford to choose between east and west, and yet they are being forced to do so, against their better inclinations.

                For most Ukrainians, these elections were not about being pro- or anti-Russian. The elections were primarily about ousting a corrupt clique from power in Kiev. It just happened that the clique came from the Russian-speaking east of the country.

                There can be no doubt that there was ballot-stuffing and fraud on voting day. In the largely Russian-speaking Donetsk region of 5m people, 97 per cent are supposed to have voted, overwhelmingly for Mr Yanukovich. And in the months before the election, all the resources of the government, and of the state-owned television, were devoted to his cause.

                The country is divided between the nationalist west, around Lviv, and the largely Russian-speaking east around Kharkov and the coal-mining Donbass region. Yet the extent of that division can be exaggerated. And it probably has been, precisely because of the heavy-handed Russian intervention.

                Mr Yushchenko's supporters were not voting for instant membership of the Nato alliance or the EU. Indeed, Mr Yushchenko had declared he would withdraw Ukrainian troops from Iraq, not a gesture that Washington would welcome. But because he represents a more liberal, pro-market attitude, in contrast to the statist style of the old Soviet factory managers surrounding President Leonid Kuchma and Mr Yanukovich, there was a pro-western subtext to his campaign.

                Ukrainian ambassadors have been summoned in every EU state to hear protests about the ballot-rigging. Yet some protests may be lukewarm. A victory for Mr Yanukovich would probably be easier for EU states to live with than one for Mr Yushchenko. The big states do not want to infuriate Mr Putin unnecessarily.

                A liberal, west-leaning government in Kiev would expect some substantial financial support from the EU to help rebuild its institutions and economy. It would also look for a clear prospect of EU membership. But Günter Verheugen, former European commissioner for enlargement, was always fond of saying that Ukraine should have a "European perspective, but not a membership perspective", at least for 20 years.

                The harsh reality for Ukrainians is that they are largely on their own. What they need is time and space to put their own house in order. The best thing Europe and America can do is persuade Mr Putin to back off and let them get on with it. He may take a lot of persuading.
                Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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                • I think that Yanukovich really won. Eastern Ukrainians are more Russian than Ukrainians. Crimea is Russian at all... Many cities with ethnic Ukrainians consider themselves culturally Russian. Take Odessa, Kharkow, Donetzk, Dnepropetrovsk and Krivoi Rog and you already have 6 millions population in pro-Russian area. On the other hand only few voted Yanukovich in Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv... I hope that this will end up peacefully.
                  money sqrt evil;
                  My literacy level are appalling.

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                  • I actually really fear there's a de-facto division of the country, with one part recognizing Yanukovich as a leader, and the other regonizing Yuschenko. I hope the Ukrainians will come to their senses to avoid such a division before the military kicks in, but I'm very pessimistic.

                    Let's hope that a charismatic leader, that can be seen as legitimate by both parts of Ukraine can show up. I think it's the only good solution to the huge problem Ukraine is facing right now.
                    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                    • Court puts Ukraine result on hold

                      -- "This is only the beginning," Ukraine's opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko told tens of thousands of cheering supporters after the country's Supreme Court barred publication of disputed presidential election results until his appeal hearing.

                      The court will conduct its examination on Monday, the Interfax news agency said.

                      Thursday's decision will delay any formal inauguration of Viktor Yanukovych and keep outgoing President Leonid Kuchma in power for the time being.

                      "The court ruling bars the Central Election Commission from officially publishing the results of the election and proceeding with any other action connected with this," a statement from the court said.




                      yay
                      CSPA

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                      • It seems that Serb was correct all along in insisting that this controversy ought to be solved in the courts.

                        The decisions handed down so far certainly don't support the notion that the courts are mere puppets of the incumbant government.

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                        • Paraphrasing the Fourth International.

                          If the purpose of the opposition is to expel a corrupt regime, how come they are backing a candidate who was the head of the central bank from 1991 to 2000, and minister from 2000-2001 under Kuchma, the president?

                          The average montly wage of an Ukrainian is now 35 euros.

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                          • I'm a little surprised that people are challenging Serb's assertion that the USSR kicked Japan's arse after the prior Russo-Japanese War (1904-05). The USSR decisively defeated the Japanese in not one but two large scale land campaigns.

                            The first was in 1939

                            Which had profound strategic implications in that it was almost certainly the reason the USSR never had to contend with a two front war in WWII.

                            The second time would be the already mentioned blitzkreig in the final days of ww2. However even if we dismiss the second cmapaign as too late in WW2 to affect that wars outcome it still cannot change the simple assertion that the USSR soundly defeated the Japanese in that campaign. A successful campaign against enormous military force is all the more successful for being quickly won and the fact that the campaign had no strategic implications in the wider conflict tells us nothing about how one sided such a campaign can be. A 3 day defeat of 900,000 fanatical modern disciplined troops is still a hell of a arse whooping.

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                            • I find it interesting that a Communist is labeled "center-right" and a Nazi is labelled "liberal."

                              We've come a long way baby. Welcome to the new Europe, which seems to resemble the Europe of 1933-45.
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                              • 12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                                Killing it is the new killing it
                                Ultima Ratio Regum

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