Liberals need to stop sneering at people

[Agathon]

It is going to be pretty cool being bohemian in some parts of the US now. After all the whole idea of it is to annoy the God-fearing and virtuous.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by GePap
NO we haven't: this whole "act like normal people", reach out to the "normal people" is bull.

Bush won with 51% percent- that only 1% more than half the voters. The 48% are all eastern establishment liberals? Right- so, the country is made up of 2 types of people, 51% are "normal" and 48% are "Liberal Elites", well, righty-OH

Talking about "the common people" already is playing into republican hands that some suburban white guy in Colodaro Springs is more "normal" than some black woman in the Bronx. BULL. We need to define the values of America, and its startys by dropping the "normal peiople" ****. They don;t exists. America is made up of a grand variety of different groups- the idea is getting behind a set of values that can bring the larges number of these different sets together in a common cause.

The reason why, and possibly the sole reason, the election was so close was Iraq. That is the one defining issue that gave Democrats their edge. Without it they would be battling on social and pure 9/11 issues. Bush has the edge on 9/11 issues and Dems have the usual social edge. Conclusion: Bush wins, by 10%.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Sprayber


What was Kerry's position on gay marriage?

On record, he has voted against amendments defining marriage as between a man and a woman

In public, he and Edwards said that they saw marriage as between a man and a woman, but supported unions between gays, with all the same rights that marriage provides (whatever that means)


He may have sold out the gays, but he didn't actively go after them in the mean spirited, discriminatory way the like the Republicans did

[Imran Siddiqui]

The reason why, and possibly the sole reason, the election was so close was Iraq. That is the one defining issue that gave Democrats their edge. Without it they would be battling on social and pure 9/11 issues. Bush has the edge on 9/11 issues and Dems have the usual social edge. Conclusion: Bush wins, by 10%.

Yer forgetting about the economy.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

The reason why, and possibly the sole reason, the election was so close was Iraq. That is the one defining issue that gave Democrats their edge. Without it they would be battling on social and pure 9/11 issues. Bush has the edge on 9/11 issues and Dems have the usual social edge. Conclusion: Bush wins, by 10%.

Yer forgetting about the economy.

The economy is no longer an issue. The recession was over, far over, in April. People did not connect the poor economy with the President.

[notyoueither]

NATIONAL ECONOMY

Good (43%) Bush 87%

[Ted Striker]

The jobs market still hasn't fully recovered

That's what really matters

It is better though

[Ben Kenobi]

After all the whole idea of it is to annoy the God-fearing and virtuous.

Does that mean you are planning to move down there?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle


The reason why, and possibly the sole reason, the election was so close was Iraq. That is the one defining issue that gave Democrats their edge. Without it they would be battling on social and pure 9/11 issues. Bush has the edge on 9/11 issues and Dems have the usual social edge. Conclusion: Bush wins, by 10%.

BY what you claim, there would be no "Iraq" without "terrorism", since they are part of the same struggle, NO?

Bush won because he and the republicans had a better ground organization and mobilized more religious voters than the dems did young and minorities and their cores.

[Agathon]

He may have sold out the gays, but he didn't actively go after them in the mean spirited, discriminatory way the like the Republicans did.

It was pretty horrible. "Get out and vote against those godless fags and their sodomite ways!!!!"

I'm surprised that MrFun seems to be the only homosexual on Poly that has expressed any significant distress about the Repug gaybaiting.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
The jobs market still hasn't fully recovered

That's what really matters

It is better though

Exactly, it's better, not worse. The recovery began in early 2004. It just wasn't a hot button issue.

[GePap]

Originally posted by notyoueither
NATIONAL ECONOMY

Good (43%) Bush 87%

And the 57% who did not think it was "good"?

[Ted Striker]

In my opinon it's not good enough and I do honestly blame Bush for that

But I give him props for the unemployment extensions that he put out after 9/11

[GePap]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle


Exactly, it's better, not worse. The recovery began in early 2004. It just wasn't a hot button issue.

Its better than 2002, much worse than 2000, when Bush got elected. Lets all remember his great jobs accomplishment- to share a spot with Herbert hoover on job creation is a hard thing to do.

[Agathon]

Does that mean you are planning to move down there?

I might end up there. Most of the jobs in my field this year are in the States. I don't think I will get one this year though, I don't have enough on my CV yet. Still, it costs very little and is worth a shot.

I can corrupt it from within.