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**Dis** · November 4, 2004, 22:22

I disagree. Bush is stupid.

**Verto** · November 4, 2004, 22:22

Communists in particular seem to have a bad habit of constantly insulting the intelligence of the average citizen.

**Harry Tuttle** · November 4, 2004, 22:22

I completely agree. Bar none.

**Alexander's Horse** · November 4, 2004, 22:23

Originally posted by Dissident
I disagree. Bush is stupid.

Even if he was, it's dumb politics - he's been re-elected so who is stupid now?

**Japher** · November 4, 2004, 22:24

I disagree. Bush is stupid

I'm a republican, and I think Bush is stupid, and I voted for Bush.

Because Kerry is even stupiderer...

**Dis** · November 4, 2004, 22:25

let's go over a few tips for liberals.

This is why you lost the election.

Crap like:

Bush is hitler.

Driving SUV's supports terrorists.

The U.S. must answer to the rest of the world.

Hollywood actors and other musicians around the country acting like they know more than average americans

hypocritical liberals driving big suv's and living in mansions when they expect other people (especially rich people) to give these things up

Not all of these were said by Kerry. But it doesn't matter. They were said by liberals and Kerry is a liberal. This is why Kerry lost the election.

**Shi Huangdi** · November 4, 2004, 22:25

Let them complain if they like, they are entitled to a period of mourning/raging.

**Zulu Elephant** · November 4, 2004, 22:25

Re: Liberals need to stop sneering at people

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
One lesson coming out of both the US and Australian elections for me is liberals need to stop sneering and talking down to ordinary people. Nobody is going to vote for you if you constantly lecture them and act like you know better.

A good example is the Bush is stupid rhetoric.

a. He isn't stupid and

b. this implies those who voted for him are stupid too.

Hardly a clever way to win over a voter!

All this sniffing at the popular vote for Bush is really counterproductive. Social Democratic parties need to stop being captured by interest groups with their trendy middle class causes and get back in touch with the grass roots.

Some elitist left wing social commentators should take Bill O'Reilly's advice and just shut up. It would be good for the parties they are trying to support and currently just shooting in the foot by alienating readers.

This basic political craft is something conservative parties have been very good at recently. A few years ago they were ones looking down at the masses with disdain and they suffered electorally as a result.

The conservative parties around the world are just killing their opponents in basic tactics on the stump.

One former Australian Labor MP (Democrat to you Yanks) commented after Labor's electoral rout last month that when he joined the parliament he noticed when he shook hands that a lot of the MP's were missing fingers - initially he thought it was a code - but really it was because they were former working men who lost fingers in industrial accidents. Now, the Labor MP's are all former party operatives and officials - not a worker among them. Is it any wonder that 30% of unionised workers voted for the conservatives?

There's a message there somewhere.

Just my 2 cents.

Left-wing thought is a lot more complicated than right-wing thought. *ducks*

**alva** · November 4, 2004, 22:25

One could argue that if is it worth, lowering to their standard so they will vote for you.

Lowest common denominator

education

You do have a point though.

**Asher** · November 4, 2004, 22:26

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Even if he was, it's dumb politics - he's been re-elected so who is stupid now?

The stupid people who voted for him?

It's why republicans destroy the education system. A dumb, uneducated population makes it easier for them to get reelected.

There's a remarkable and unmistakable trend -- the states with the higher ranked education systems did not vote for Bush.

**Harry Tuttle** · November 4, 2004, 22:28

"See B"

**Verto** · November 4, 2004, 22:29

Originally posted by Asher

The stupid people who voted for him?

It's why republicans destroy the education system. A dumb, uneducated population makes it easier for them to get reelected.

There's a remarkable and unmistakable trend -- the states with the higher ranked education systems did not vote for Bush.

Go back to your Gates shrine.

**Japher** · November 4, 2004, 22:29

The subtle contradictions didn't help

Socialize health care -but- promote stem cell research

Support troops -but- not the war

Support gays -but- not gay marriage

Support the poor - but- not the rich

for tax cuts -but- for increase spending

fo it -but- then agains it

I can see how some of these may make sense to some of you, but not to stupid general Americans like myself.

**alva** · November 4, 2004, 22:29

Originally posted by Dissident
let's go over a few tips for liberals.

This is why you lost the election.

Crap like:

Bush is hitler.

Driving SUV's supports terrorists.

The U.S. must answer to the rest of the world.

Hollywood actors and other musicians around the country acting like they know more than average americans

hypocritical liberals driving big suv's and living in mansions when they expect other people (especially rich people) to give these things up

Not all of these were said by Kerry. But it doesn't matter. They were said by liberals and Kerry is a liberal. This is why Kerry
lost the election.

As opposed too:

Driving small cars = communist
**** the rest of the world, damn communists
hollywood's a bunch of communists
gay traitors

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