Liberals need to stop sneering at people

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
I saw some research which showed these kind of "moral" issues were higher in voter concerns than IRAQ in many of the "heartland" stated that voted for Bush.

In the US overall.

According to the CNN poll, moral issues were the most important issues for 21% of the voters. By comparison, Iraq was the main concern of 15%, and the economy 11%. Education and healthcare were primary concerns for less than 10% of the voters each.

[Agathon]

[quote]A good example is the Bush is stupid rhetoric.

a. He isn't stupid and

b. this implies those who voted for him are stupid too. [/quote[

He is stupid and so are those who voted for him.

Why do you assume that I want to influence those who voted for him?

[Harry Tuttle]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Agathon

A good example is the Bush is stupid rhetoric.

a. He isn't stupid and

b. this implies those who voted for him are stupid too. [/quote[

He is stupid and so are those who voted for him.

Why do you assume that I want to influence those who voted for him?

because they made up 51% of the vote and about 30 extra EV votes?

[dojoboy]

Originally posted by Dissident
let's go over a few tips for liberals.

This is why you lost the election.

Crap like:

Bush is hitler.

Driving SUV's supports terrorists.

The U.S. must answer to the rest of the world.

Hollywood actors and other musicians around the country acting like they know more than average americans

hypocritical liberals driving big suv's and living in mansions when they expect other people (especially rich people) to give these things up

Not all of these were said by Kerry. But it doesn't matter. They were said by liberals and Kerry is a liberal. This is why Kerry lost the election.

This is very good.

[Spiffor]

During my campaign, I made a point not talking down the people, even those whom I considered having a stupid / unacceptable point of view. That must be my "teacher" aspect.

I think I earned some respect by those people I didn't talk down, and whose I listened patiently. However, I didn't earn their votes. My positions were different from theirs, as they were inherently complex, which went completely opposite to their demands for simple, immediately understanble solutions.

[Agathon]

because they made up 51% of the vote and about 30 extra EV votes?

But I don't care if your country goes to the dogs.

[Alexander's Horse]

I'm afraid the liberal left fails to grasp the point that its cold comfort being "right" when you don't have the power.

You need to get the power first. Then you can do things.

[Japher]

Bush mentioned the internets... maybe a democrat should do that.

[Zulu Elephant]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
I'm afraid the liberal left fails to grasp the point that its cold comfort being "right" when you don't have the power.

You need to get the power first. Then you can do things.

But what can the Dems give up without giving up their core beliefs?

[notyoueither]

Good points, Horsie, but it doesn;t seem as if you are getting many takers.

[Nubclear]

Stupidity == cute, good! Intellectualism == arrogant, bad!

2050: I'm so glad the capital is Beijing

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Zulu Elephant


lol. Thats why it's sometimes hard to resist talking down to people.

"Well, I was gonna vote for Kerry but, goddamnit, he didn't have no pickup truck"

A lot of Bush voters said they trusted him more because they could relate to him. When Kerry couldn't give them a compelling reason to vote for him, they naturally went with the person they had a greater identification with.

[Alexander's Horse]

I should spend my spare time knee capping hopeless dreamy left liberals in the Australian Labor Party in the hope of making the party electable again.

[alva]

Originally posted by Spiffor
During my campaign, I made a point not talking down the people, even those whom I considered having a stupid / unacceptable point of view. That must be my "teacher" aspect.

I think I earned some respect by those people I didn't talk down, and whose I listened patiently. However, I didn't earn their votes. My positions were different from theirs, as they were inherently complex, which went completely opposite to their demands for simple, immediately understanble solutions.

But you have that 'luxury' as you are not really in it to win it.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
I'm afraid the liberal left fails to grasp the point that its cold comfort being "right" when you don't have the power.

You need to get the power first. Then you can do things.

This is a problem of ethics. I understand a seasoned politician will have no problem lying on his intentions, and making some Bald Assertions to flatter the public, when his own opinions are far more complex than that.

However, I do consider this demagogic stance as patronizing. I personally prefer losing while respecting the people, instead of winning by insulting them. Of course, the worst is to lose while insulting the voters. That's what mainstream liberals do. For us in the fringe parties, we lose so often we can't get sore.