Controversial Dutch Filmmaker Theo van Gogh killed

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by WotanAnubis

Actually, it wasn't Jerusalem. It was a small town in France. And the question was wether or not they were Catholics or Cathars (which is/was yet another Christian sect).

Although... it *may* have been a Crusade indeed.

The King of France lost over half of his yearly income than no King in Europe want that type of Crusade in they kingdom, plus the people of Southern France have along lasting hater of the people of Northern France which make the king job alot harder in the long run.

[CharlesBHoff]

At one time New York City was than city that have than huge problem with crime not police fault, cheap aver christian polit from upstate NY. First the city police offical make 250,000 pelony arrest every year acutral alot hight as many where set free after being arrest no place to hold then. The State Court in the city was able to handle 3000 pelony case ayear than they can only be held for one year and after being held one year awaiting trail they must be set free.

The city have no power to use city court to try these pelony cases in city court even when the city have the same laws on the book or even arrest then under city law it have to be state law. Plus the City want the power to decriminal nonviliont pelony like posution and gambleing and spiting on the sidewalk.

The worst place was the South Bronze call by many people the war zone. They have 9 to 12 year old boys robbery and rapeing old woman even in nurseing home they where arrest hundred of time and let go with no trail or time in pirson. My grandmother live on the edge of the warzone was butral rob and rape by two nine year old. The Black Muslim landlord was piss and was going to get than muslim gang which protect all the people in they area from these little monster to track then down and kill then, I said killing then is too easy just take they penis out of the pants and hit afew time hard with a baseball bat let then feel the pain they cause other. The State court didnot have atrail on this as these came monsters not the same one but they 200 boy gang rape elder grandmother's of some DA's in the city and state judge( they hand where tie in what they can do) decide they will give me than unoffical warming not to do it again. I thought a lot of the Long Island police wouldnot like what I did. It didnot matter as these monster did the samething in Long Island and part of NY upstate near the city, NJ and con( the two state near NYC) and make it back to the city where the Long Island and the two other States police cannot arrest then legal or easies. Only the city police and NY State Police can legality arresst then, the state police only have 25 to 50 men busy handing out state court orders to arrest these monsters and the city police can only arrest then an turn then over to the other police it the city pol in charge approve of it which they did so rarely that the other law enforcement just gave up.

[WotanAnubis]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff
When the Crusader enter Jerusalem they kill all Christian includeing Roman Cath., Jew, and Muslim. They burn down all the christian church expect for one in Jerusalem. On they way to the Holy Land they attack Jewish center in Eastern and Western Europe. They might have said the samething.

Well, that could very well be (that something like that was said during the 'liberation' of Jerusalem), I wouldn't know. But historically, the quote really is attributed to the whole Cathar incident in France.

[alva]

Nicely done btw, turning this thread into a 'Catholics(the west) is evil thread...

Any older incidents can put on the table? Any reason to hate us is good enough you know.

[germanos]

Todays news:

several arson attempts at churches. None succesfull.
Guys arrested with molotov-cocktails near mosque.
So far, all attacks have been against buildings, so I have the feeling that it's a 'war' against institutions instead of people, which is a releif.


But there is also hilarious news:
The president of the LPF (the party of the late Pim Fortuyn) has been arrested for writing letters with threats (of indisclosed nature).
The rediculous part is the fact he wrote them to his own party, threatening himself and the MP's if they would not stop critisising islam.

I wonder how much more death-threats to anti-immigrant/anti-islam MP's/columnists have been written by nutcases like him.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by germanos

But there is also hilarious news:
The president of the LPF (the party of the late Pim Fortuyn) has been arrested for writing letters with threats (of indisclosed nature).
The rediculous part is the fact he wrote them to his own party, threatening himself and the MP's if they would not stop critisising islam.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


You are wrong I tolde some muslim men about you non-muslim sdaying that all muslim men beat they wifes they laught at the lies you non-muslim make up. In El Paso almost all case wife beating involse Christian man.

You, sir, are a fool.

Re-read what I wrote. I said nothing about EL PASO! I'm talking about Islamic societies where Sharia law is practiced. THAT DOES NOT APPLY IN EL PASO. I'm talking about fundamentalist Islamic societies, Charlie. But I actually doubt you know jack **** about them, since your knowledge appears to be limited to talking to Muslims in El Paso.

Furthermore, regarding the comment that most wife beaters in El Paso are Christian... I have no doubt that they are. I also suspect that most people in El Paso are Christian.

-Arrian

[germanos]

Something that might interest Ned (and others)

One of the guys arrested yesterday in Den Haag is a Dutchman of American descent.
In total, in several raids throughout the country, seven people have been arrested, two of them with a 'western background'. (I don't know what that means exactly)

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


The King of France lost over half of his yearly income than no King in Europe want that type of Crusade in they kingdom, plus the people of Southern France have along lasting hater of the people of Northern France which make the king job alot harder in the long run.

I'd very much like to see a source for the French king losing over half it's yearly income over the Albigensian crusade. In fact, I'm gonna disbelieve it for now.

The crusade strengthened the French monarchy by giving it control of the South, and by reinforcing it's image as champion of Catholicism. While ruling recalcitrant southerners might have been trickier than not ruling them, I don't think the Capetians complained about that either.

And don't tell me the Habsburgs were unhappy about anything about the dozen-odd crusades they had launched against the Hussites except their failure.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Last Conformist

I'd very much like to see a source for the French king losing over half it's yearly income over the Albigensian crusade. In fact, I'm gonna disbelieve it for now.

The crusade strengthened the French monarchy by giving it control of the South, and by reinforcing it's image as champion of Catholicism. While ruling recalcitrant southerners might have been trickier than not ruling them, I don't think the Capetians complained about that either.

And don't tell me the Habsburgs were unhappy about anything about the dozen-odd crusades they had launched against the Hussites except their failure.

The main scource of income was land and product of the land. Unuse land generate little income. It the Crusade destory the rural area which they did the taxes generate
from the land would have went down. After this the Pope want to lauch than other Crusade in France control
land and the King of France thank but no crusade.

The King of England got 1 million Pound per year from a tax on wool from English Sheep and the export tax on wool out of the 1250000 pounds per year income. So most King show than interest in the sheep bussien and stealing sheep in England was than capital crime( meaning it can carry the death pentaly) while stealing pigs was than minor crime at most. The Flemist cloth maker where alway able to see the King of England when they want to on the wool bussien as 750,000 pounds per year came from then buying Englandish wool.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by alva
Nicely done btw, turning this thread into a 'Catholics(the west) is evil thread...

Any older incidents can put on the table? Any reason to hate us is good enough you know.

It have happen in history. Than it isnot the Catholic the west is evil thread. The Crusades got out of hand look at the 4th Crusade and what they did to than Christian Empire( Eastern Rome Empire) it got so out of hand that the Pope have to wash his hand of it and excommunicate alot of then over it.

[Lefty Scaevola]

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2004111318470002621094&dt=20041113184700&w=RTR&coview=

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4008781.stm

Imagine how the 'tolerant' Dutch would have reacted if 3000 of them had been murdered, rather than just one ******* provacateur filmmaker.

[Mercator]

Well, blaming "the Dutch" for that is just as unjustified as blaming "the Muslims" for that murder.

But I agree.

And Dutch tolerance doesn't exist. It's more like, "as long as it's not in my backyard, I don't give a ****."

[germanos]

Well, the Minister of Justice thinks he has found the solution to the recent problems: He wants to wake a law against blasphemy from the dead.

Thankfully the Christian Democrats have a coalition with two liberal parties, so it won't fly

*(insert blasphemous remark here)

[Mercator]

I actually think that would be a good thing. If there's one thing that's gone out of the window, it's being civil with eachother.

I agree with one thing I've been hearing in the media. In the spirit of free speech, a lot of people seem to think everyone should just be able to say whatever he wants, no matter how insulting. But free speech is meant to protect us from censorship, not to allow us to insult eachother at will. Being civil and respectful to eachother should be just as important.

Of course, you can question how much this law (or any law) will really help with that...