Controversial Dutch Filmmaker Theo van Gogh killed

[CharlesBHoff]

Texas have a very tought law on destorying place of workship. It doesnot matter it the firebomb doesnot go off or the bomb explosive it is treated as it went off. It can carry the death penisly it workshiper die, the nomal pensly is 40 to 50 year without padrox or time off for good beaviour. The Police enforce this law strict as one time prot bomb mexica Roman Cath churh and the cathority bomb the Prot one. Also no pardon canbe grant to you while seravion your time this is to stop the common practice of than Prot Govornor pardoning than Prot who bomb than cath church with hundred's of people kill to time servive while on trail. Israel does this alot so they laws arenot apply equality.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


The main scource of income was land and product of the land. Unuse land generate little income. It the Crusade destory the rural area which they did the taxes generate
from the land would have went down.

There's a slight problem here, since the Albigensian Crusade took place in an area that a) was effectively outside the king's control before the war, and b) accounted for less than half the potential income of France in any way.

[Tripledoc]

A perfect example of media manipulation.

Mini clash of civilizations
Arnaud de Borchgrave

"***-for-tat terrorism quickly followed Van Gogh's assassination in widely scattered parts of the otherwise peaceful Netherlands. An arson attack against a Muslim school was followed in the same village of Uden by a Muslim attack against a primary school that was set ablaze and completely gutted. Then a small bomb damaged a Muslim school in Eindhoven. A score of mosques and churches were targeted by arson attacks in one week. Two young men were also arrested for putting a video on the Internet that promised 72 virgins in paradise for the "beheading" of Geert Wilders, a popular right-wing politician who decries the dangers of radical Islam.
Two years ago, Pim Fortuyn, a populist politician who called for a halt to immigration, by simply saying the Netherlands was "full," was similarly gunned down."

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20041114-103944-4700r.htm

A person unfamiliar with the events surrounding the death of mr. Fortuyn would immediately conclude that he was gunned down by a Muslim. Of course he was gunned down by an animal rights activist, angered by Fortuyns comments on mink farms. There is no reason to believe that de Borchgrave is not aware of that.

The way the line of argument is set up strongly indicates that it was his exact intention. As such the article is inflammatory and de Borchgrave should resign from his post as editor.

[Arrian]

The Washington Times is a looney right rag (I think of it as a sort of mirror image of, say, the Guardian). No one with half a brain takes them seriously.

-Arrian

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
A person unfamiliar with the events surrounding the death of mr. Fortuyn would immediately conclude that he was gunned down by a Muslim.

Not a muslim but yet possibly a goat ****er.

[Tripledoc]

AP: Netherlands Mulling Anti-Terror Laws

Mon Nov 15, 4:00 PM ET Europe - AP

By ANTHONY DEUTSCH, Associated Press Writer

THE HAGUE, Netherlands - Spurred by the first terrorist killing on its soil, the Dutch justice minister said Monday authorities need broader arrest powers to combat a growing threat from Islamic radicals in the Netherlands.

In an Associated Press interview, Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner also suggested the spread of Islamic radicalism is more widespread than the government previously acknowledged.

He said the new laws would empower anti-terrorism investigators to detain suspects without evidence that they may have committed a crime.

"In those cases where we can't even clearly prove the existence of recruitment or radicalization, but only have a suspicion, we will still use possible administrative powers and other powers to disrupt it as much as possible," said Donner, the country's leading terrorism official.

Not only will the laws "make it easier to arrest people," he said, they will "make it possible to keep people for longer terms without fully revealing information in their dossier."

In some cases, detentions could last "at least three to four months," he said.

[BeBMan]

[Tripledoc] Are the Netherlands now officially a fascist country since Pim Fortuyn was elected as their greatest guy in a tv show?[/Tripledoc]

Nah, I don't think so....

[Tripledoc]

Locking people up for extended periods without evidence is a giant stride in that direction.

Notice how this apparently does not include the extreme right.

But hey, what if they went to lock up all neo-nazis in Europe?

For instance in all European countries there have been assaults on immigrants, and burning down of mosques by extremists, and I did not once hear anyone suggest that the authorities should be able to lock them up without evidence. And this pror to 9/11.

And what of hooligans indeed. They are a constant source of disorder and mayhem. Yet seemingly the authorities take no action towards the fact that some football clubs support them financially.

I am more worried by being gutted by skinheads, neo-nazis and hooligans, than by crazy fundamentalists, because they will attack you if you just look at them in a funny way.

I have never been personally assaulted nor witnessed any assault made by a Muslim. I have been assaulted by skinheads, and have witnessed assaults.

But I guess the politicians are too scared to do anything about that. They recieve constant threats by these rightwing elements.

[Tripledoc]

This is a posting from another board made by a Dutchman.

Dead Dutch politician wun the title Greatest Dutchman in a television show, just ahead of William of Orange, the Father of the Fatherland, who led the liberation struggle in the 16th century and ensured the founding of a Republic where no state ideology was imposed on the citizens.

Fortuyn won first place with 114.000 votes, William of Orange was second with 111.000. Today it has become apparent that 45.000 votes (by SMS and email) for Orange were not counted due to technical difficulties.

The broadcasters refuse to reverse the decision (scared of the repercussions of Fortuyn voters).

Can anyone confirm this?

[alva]

Originally posted by BeBro
[Tripledoc] Are the Netherlands now officially a fascist country since Pim Fortuyn was elected as their greatest guy in a tv show?[/Tripledoc]

Nah, I don't think so....

You(re kidding right...

[germanos]

And no Tripledoc, they are not afraid of the Fortuyn voters, actually they sort of try to discredit the vote after the results are presented. Pretty lame if you ask me.

[Locutus]

Originally posted by germanos
And no Tripledoc, they are not afraid of the Fortuyn voters, actually they sort of try to discredit the vote after the results are presented. Pretty lame if you ask me.

On one hand it's lame to discredit the result if you organised the election, on the other hand it's even lamer that Fortuyn was even allowed to participate, let alone win (name me one thing Fortuyn ever accomplished in his life, besides getting shot?) I mean, look at the names of those who won the 'greatest people' in history contests:

Mandela, Churchill, Adenauer... Fortuyn?

I looked at the voting process a few months ago, it was very much open to fraud. I can only wonder how many fanatic Fortuynists voted more often than they were allowed to...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
This is a posting from another board made by a Dutchman.



Can anyone confirm this?

Id have voted for that Rembrandt feller, he painted some real good pictures, even if they wuz kinda dark. Lotsa Joos in them pictures though, might upset some folks.

Or that Van Gogh fellar - no not the one who got shot, the one who cut off his ear and painted that painting the guy wrote a song about.

Signed
Uncultured American

[lord of the mark]

actually id probably vote for Peter Stuyvesant, since thats who my high school was named for, even he was a creepy guy and an antisemite.

Or how about Peter Minuit, who founder the GREATEST CITY in the world?

Geez, so many great Dutchmen too choose from. "an embarassment of riches" as Simon Schama wrote.

[WotanAnubis]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
He said the new laws would empower anti-terrorism investigators to detain suspects without evidence that they may have committed a crime.

Well, I knew our current cabinet is slavely following America *cough*PatriotAct*cough*, but this is a bit too much.
I don't think it'll pass though.

On the "Greatest Dutchman Election" I have one thing to say: if only Fortuyn hadn't been shot. Then he'd have made such a mess of things that nobody would even consider him for the top ten and then that other guy who went against the establishment and got shot would've won.

In more Dutch news today, prostitutes from Utrecht, as well as people from support organisations, went to Amsterdam today to complain about the fact that Amsterdam closed down its official "tippelzone" (basically, an area for street prostitution). Apparently, Amsterdam hookers are now going to Utrecht, where they are undercutting their Utrechtse competitors.


Yes, I live in a very weird country. And even though mosques and churches are currently burning daily, I just can't help but loving it.