The OFFICIAL United States Presidential Election Thread!

[The Mad Monk]

What's At Stake, by Rush Limbaugh

One Day Left, by Michael Moore

[Alexander's Horse]

The unofficial threads are better.

[Bosh]

Interesting article here: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2004/s...=214695&page=1

Summary:

ABC producers wearing Bush shirts are allowed into Kerry rally. They're told that if they make any disturbance they'll be hauled out and they're surrounded by people with big signs so the media can't see them. Otherwise they're left alone.

ABC produces wearing Kerry shirts were not allowed into the Bush rally, as it was a "private function." Producers who take a coat off while inside and reveat Kerry shirts are promptly hauled off the premises.

What with this and the pledges of allegiance to Bush and the signed loyalty oaths necessary to get tickets to many Bush events, the Bush campaign is making me nervous...

[Guynemer]

I'm "as nervous as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs" about this. I wish I had tomorrow off. And the next day. And, well, hell, the whole next month until this thing is settled.


And I'm really just making this post so that I have it tagged for easy reference tomorrow.

Imran

[mrmitchell]

I just saw F9/11.

It pretty much just reinforced what you'd already know about Bush if you read the articles posted here: he's a rich white guy who has ties to Saudi Arabia and thus indirectly terrorists. He has bungled intelligence and plunged us into the quagmire of Iraq.

I'm sure someone will waltz in in a couple minutes with a big ol' list of inaccuracies in the movie, but I don't really care. Every point listed above is true and it needs to go no further than that for me to oppose Bush.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
I just saw F9/11.

It pretty much just reinforced what you'd already know about Bush if you read the articles posted here: he's a rich white guy who has ties to Saudi Arabia and thus indirectly terrorists. He has bungled intelligence and plunged us into the quagmire of Iraq.

I'm sure someone will waltz in in a couple minutes with a big ol' list of inaccuracies in the movie, but I don't really care. Every point listed above is true and it needs to go no further than that for me to oppose Bush.

did you ever get the pm I sent you. your box was full

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Odin
The Republicans are trying to supress African-American votes in Philly by telling them that they cant vote if they got a traffic ticket or if they had voted in another election this year. In the mean-time the republicans are greatly exaggerating the amount of people rising from the grave to vote democrat.

Since when does the African-American community listen to the Republicans?

[Ted Striker]

Yeah right Siddiqui!!!

This isn't gonna work

I prefer my Paulina Porizkova election thread:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=124635

[mrmitchell]

Sprayber: It was full. I just emptied out a lot of messages but no I didn't get it.

Since when does the African-American community listen to the Republicans?

There's jokes that could be made but some party pooper will ruin the fun by pointing out the parties' switch.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
i still hope that a third party will be able to capture 5% of the vote.

What would be the significance of only 5% of the popular vote?


Besides influencing the election between the two other candidates.

[Boris Godunov]

5% qualifies a party for federal matching funds.

[Tassadar500]

It's so close now...

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
5% qualifies a party for federal matching funds.

oh . . . . . . .




interesting tidbit

[Ramo]

Very interesting read:

ARE EARLY VOTERS DIFFERENT? Reports from the early voting are trickling in and, at least in two make-or-break battleground states, show a pretty dramatic preference for John Kerry over George W. Bush. In Florida, the latest Gallup poll showed that about a third of the polled voters had already cast ballots and that Kerry led 51 percent to 43 percent among them. In Iowa, according to The Des Moines Register, 27 percent of those polled by Saturday had already voted, and Kerry was similarly favored 52 percent to 41 percent by the early birds. In both states, those who had yet to vote were more pro-Bush than those who'd already cast ballots. So what explains the difference?

If Kerry supporters were more likely to be voting early than Bush backers -- one possible scenario for which there's some support -- you'd expect to find a slightly greater preference for Bush among the remaining two-thirds of those surveyed, the potential voters. Gallup, unfortunately, didn't break out the numbers in Florida showing the preferences of actual voters versus potential voters, but among "likely voters" there Kerry led 50 percent to 47 percent. So, basically, Kerry was doing a smidge better among actual voters than the poll numbers would have predicted, while Bush was doing worse, which is as you'd expect, given how Al Gore consistently outperformed his polls in 2000 and how Bush's level of support has long been considered a ceiling.

In Iowa, the combination of actual and potential voters prefered Kerry over Bush, 48 to 45 percent, while the candidates were tied among the survey subset of only potential voters, suggesting that, in fact, more Kerry-backers had voted early. Either that or (again, as has been widely anticipated all year) the small fragment of undecided voters in the end broke against the incumbent and Kerry led among the actual voters simply because he actually leads once people get into the voting booth and have to make a final decision.

Even more intriguing than what's going on in Florida and Iowa, though, is what's happening in the state of Tennesee, and it's here that I think we may start getting some answers about what's going on elsewhere. In 2000, 2.1 million people voted in this state; Bush won, 51 to 47 percent. With Bush leading by double-digit margins, Tennessee is hardly a swing state this year. It has not been the focus of anyone's GOTV operation or advertising campaigns. But this year, 1.13 million people voted early in Tennesee during the two-week period when they could do that. That means that a third of registered voters in the state have already voted; more than half the 2000 turnout number has alreay been to the polls. It seems highly improbable that all these people are voting early because they're leaning Kerry or are the subject of local Democratic GOTV campaigns, as some have speculated is part of what's fueling the turnout in Florida. So why are they at the polls in record numbers, too?

State Election Coordinator Brook Thompson called the turnout "astounding." Thompson said he got the impression that voters felt the need to vote after the contested 2000 election.

"We've been talking about the presidential race virtually every day for a year," he said. "People just decided 'I'm, going to vote this time.' And maybe people don't trust polls so much anymore."

Hundreds of early voters in Rutherford County stood in line for three to four hours, even ordering pizza in some cases, before reaching a booth at an athletic complex. Some brought folding chairs and books, while others just sat on the gym floor to endure the wait.

Although poll officials turned away folks trying to get in line about 7 p.m., the last ballot was not cast until after 11 p.m.

"I wanted to make sure I got my vote in," said Brenda Baker after voting in Nashville. "I feel like more voices need to be heard this time."

Other Tennessee voters told the Tennessean they were voting early for reasons of convenience:

At the polling station in Hermitage, many voters said they decided to vote early to beat the rush, only to find themselves standing in line with more than 100 other voters.

''I came early because I'm lazy and I don't like to stand in line, but here I am in line,'' said Preston Gilliam. ''I'm surprised to see this many people. But the last election got screwed up because it was too close to count, so people want to make sure they get the person they want in there.''

Turnout has also been extremely high in Georgia and Nevada. All of which suggests to me that the people turning out in record numbers and voting early may actually be representative of voter preferences in their communities and turning out because of heightened interest in the campaigns and the convenience of early voting, rather than because of any specific voter preferences. Which would mean that if Kerry's ahead in certain states among the early voters, he's likely to be ahead in them when all the votes are counted, as well.

--Garance Franke-Ruta

http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archives/2004/11/index.html#004622

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
What's At Stake, by Rush Limbaugh

One Day Left, by Michael Moore

Michael Moore's email address?
MMFlint@aol.com


He has an AOL account. What a cretin!