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  • #166
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

    Originally posted by Caligastia
    I think it's a bit naive to assume that prejudice against africans is mainly from slavery. Why do you think it is that practically every other race in the world looks down on black africans? Because they are backward. How else would they be so easily enslaved?
    *sigh* You are an idiot if you really believe this. People look down on the turmoil and chaos in Africa, and how savagery is rampant in many areas. How they have ignored the AIDs crises in many areas is also troubling. Anyone that blames that on a race is, quite simply, a racist. There are cultural problems there, but they are not caused by race. The very concept of races even is genetically questionable.

    As for being easily enslaved, well, China, India, and the Native Americans would have been in the same boat if the west had tried to enslave them. They didn't.

    Anyhow, you people should look at China and India. Both of those countries were exploited by Europe, and now they are poised to be among the most powerful of nations. Africa was *devastated* by slavery, and that continent still hasn't recovered, especially in the Congo.

    -Drachasor
    "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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    • #167
      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

      Originally posted by Caligastia
      I think it's a bit naive to assume that prejudice against africans is mainly from slavery. Why do you think it is that practically every other race in the world looks down on black africans? Because they are backward. How else would they be so easily enslaved?
      Less naive than the suggestions being made by the thread starter

      But seriously... yeah, there would always be some prejudice against africans because they were different and less advanced... but many other races/nationalities have faced prejuduce before in this country, and have risen above it. Fortunately for them, they didn't come to this country as slaves... While slavery might not be the root cause, it has helped make the situation far worse, and that is the point I'm trying to make. Slavery has been a BIG disadvantge for the African people... and should never ever be considered something that has helped them in ANY way.
      Keep on Civin'
      RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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      • #168
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

        Originally posted by Ming


        Less naive than the suggestions being made by the thread starter

        But seriously... yeah, there would always be some prejudice against africans because they were different and less advanced... but many other races/nationalities have faced prejuduce before in this country, and have risen above it. Fortunately for them, they didn't come to this country as slaves... While slavery might not be the root cause, it has helped make the situation far worse, and that is the point I'm trying to make. Slavery has been a BIG disadvantge for the African people... and should never ever be considered something that has helped them in ANY way.
        Perhaps it would be more helpful to put it another way - slavery itself didn't help African people, but the resulting assimilation of a number of them into American society has created an empathy for their kind that may not have had a chance to exist if not for their presence. You speculated that without slavery some Africans would have moved to the US anyway, but I don't necessarily think that is true. Without actual contact with Africans it would have been much easier for Americans to write them all off as backward.
        ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
        ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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        • #169
          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

          Originally posted by Ming


          Less naive than the suggestions being made by the thread starter

          But seriously... yeah, there would always be some prejudice against africans because they were different and less advanced... but many other races/nationalities have faced prejuduce before in this country, and have risen above it. Fortunately for them, they didn't come to this country as slaves... While slavery might not be the root cause, it has helped make the situation far worse, and that is the point I'm trying to make. Slavery has been a BIG disadvantge for the African people... and should never ever be considered something that has helped them in ANY way.
          you seem to imply many of them would have spread to the U.S. naturally. I would like to ask you how most of them could afford that? Very few africans today can afford to get to the U.S. They are way behind other countries in immigration.

          Slavery has never, ever been a good thing in any way, shape, or form. But the past is the past. It makes no sense bringing it up. They are here living in the best country in the world. Might as well make the best of it. I'll tell you the truth. I don't like hearing all the talk about white man keeping them down. And how I, personally should pay them money. And I don't think they should idolize the african culture, but it's a free country, they can do whatever they please. But if I were them, I would learn to succeed in american culture.

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          • #170
            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

            Originally posted by Drachasor
            *sigh* You are an idiot if you really believe this. People look down on the turmoil and chaos in Africa, and how savagery is rampant in many areas. How they have ignored the AIDs crises in many areas is also troubling. Anyone that blames that on a race is, quite simply, a racist. There are cultural problems there, but they are not caused by race. The very concept of races even is genetically questionable.
            AIDS is a perfect example of racial differences in behaviour. The disease spreads like wildfire through black populations in every country. I'm not a racist (I don't feel hatred for others because of their race), but I'm not a biological flat-earther either.
            ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
            ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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            • #171
              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

              Originally posted by Caligastia


              I think it's a bit naive to assume that prejudice against africans is mainly from slavery. Why do you think it is that practically every other race in the world looks down on black africans? Because they are backward. How else would they be so easily enslaved?

              But Africans were, and are not, backward. There is no such thing as a backward people.
              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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              • #172
                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

                Originally posted by Caligastia
                AIDS is a perfect example of racial differences in behaviour. The disease spreads like wildfire through black populations in every country. I'm not a racist (I don't feel hatred for others because of their race), but I'm not a biological flat-earther either.
                Such stark differences are not racial, they are cultural.

                -Drachasor
                "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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                • #173
                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

                  Originally posted by Drachasor


                  Such stark differences are not racial, they are cultural.

                  -Drachasor
                  Personally I think both environment and genetics play a part.
                  ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                  ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                  • #174
                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

                    Originally posted by MrFun



                    But Africans were, and are not, backward. There is no such thing as a backward people.
                    ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                    ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                    • #175
                      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

                      Originally posted by Drachasor


                      Such stark differences are not racial, they are cultural.

                      -Drachasor
                      exactly.

                      I blame cultures for the differences in apparant intelligence. africans are not dumber than the rest of humans. How can this be? We are almost 100% identical in genes. The reason is culture. We have a culture that values education, they don't. Look at Asia. They were **** in the 19th century. But after western influence, they started to value education, and look where they are today.

                      Culture is to blame for most of these problems.

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                      • #176
                        In terms of intelligence in the U.S. the difference between Blacks and Whites is socio-economic. When you adjust for socio-economic levels, the differences disappear.

                        -Drachasor
                        "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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                        • #177
                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

                          Originally posted by Caligastia




                          You really are racist -- just admit it. Getting pass denial is one of the earliest steps in dealing with any serious problem one may have.
                          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                          • #178
                            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

                            Originally posted by Caligastia
                            Perhaps it would be more helpful to put it another way - slavery itself didn't help African people, but the resulting assimilation of a number of them into American society has created an empathy for their kind that may not have had a chance to exist if not for their presence.
                            And slavery helped perpetuate their position as a second class race, and magnified the prejudice... which still exists today.

                            You speculated that without slavery some Africans would have moved to the US anyway, but I don't necessarily think that is true.
                            A matter of opinion... it would have happened eventually... and they would have come over and started at the lowest rung of society like everybody else did... but as free men, and not as slaves... a far better position to be in.

                            You seem to imply that any gains they have made is due to the sympathy they get for having been slaves...
                            Now that's just plain silly... the gains they have made were earned through hard work and brains... the same as any other race. The problem is, that slavery gave them a lower starting point, and has hampered their growth and advancement... it sure as hell didn't help them.
                            Keep on Civin'
                            RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                            • #179
                              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

                              Originally posted by Ming


                              A matter of opinion... it would have happened eventually... and they would have come over and started at the lowest rung of society like everybody else did... but as free men, and not as slaves... a far better position to be in.


                              exactly
                              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                              • #180
                                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

                                Originally posted by Dissident


                                exactly.

                                I blame cultures for the differences in apparant intelligence. africans are not dumber than the rest of humans. How can this be? We are almost 100% identical in genes.
                                Different breeds of dogs are almost 100% identical in genes - are they all exactly the same? The point is that it's not the percentage of genes that we share that makes the difference, it's which genes are different.

                                The reason is culture. We have a culture that values education, they don't. Look at Asia. They were **** in the 19th century. But after western influence, they started to value education, and look where they are today.

                                Culture is to blame for most of these problems.
                                Both environment and genetics play their part. Blaming everything on environment is just as silly as blaming everything on genetics.
                                ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                                ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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