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  • #16
    Originally posted by Drachasor
    Feel free to ignore the fact that colonization of and taking slaves from Africa basically devastated all of the kingdoms and governments there, basically causing the problems we see today.

    -Drachasor
    Oh yes, Africa was so wonderful before evil, evil whitey came along.
    ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
    ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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    • #17
      CaligastiaSpace, I don't think that is true. Certainly I think it is true that Blacks in America are generally better off than ones in the Congo (though not necessarily all of Africa). However, acting like the slave trade didn't cause most of those problems is ridiculous.

      -Drachasor

      Edit: Oops[COLOR=red]
      Last edited by Drachasor; October 26, 2004, 11:04.
      "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Space05us
        You think Blacks who live in the US have it worse than Blacks who live in the Congo??


        Take this brief survey please:

        1.Are you black? A. Yes B. No

        2.do you live in the USA? A. Yes B. No

        If you answered 'No' to all questions than you have to right to not voice your opinion.

        Test is copyright chegitz guevara inc.
        I got one out of two, therefore my opinion is valid.
        ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
        ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Caligastia
          Oh yes, Africa was so wonderful before evil, evil whitey came along.
          It wasn't full of the level of violence and chaos that came afterword. That was my point.

          It would have benefited Africa (and probably other nations too) far more to have engaged in trade and peaceful interactions rather than slavery. Especially in the long run.

          The Congo was a kingdom and organized under a government before the slave trade devastated it.

          The issue isn't wether it was a happy-happy land of glee before the slave trade and colonies started, the issue is wether it would have been better off it they hadn't started.

          -Drachasor
          "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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          • #20
            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 40000 Rapes in Congo

            Originally posted by Caligastia
            You think Blacks who live in the US have it worse than Blacks who live in the Congo?? You can't be serious.
            As far as rape goes, yes. Americans are much more likely to be raped than Congolese.
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #21
              I got one out of two, therefore my opinion is valid


              Note, the test has been updated to better reflect what it was meant to be. I take full responsibility for the typo.

              Space, I don't think that is true. Certainly I think it is true that Blacks in America are generally better off than ones in the Congo (though not necessarily all of Africa). However, acting like the slave trade didn't cause most of those problems is ridiculous.


              iirc I hadnt said a word about the slave trade in thie thread.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Drachasor


                It wasn't full of the level of violence and chaos that came afterword. That was my point.

                It would have benefited Africa (and probably other nations too) far more to have engaged in trade and peaceful interactions rather than slavery. Especially in the long run.

                The Congo was a kingdom and organized under a government before the slave trade devastated it.

                The issue isn't wether it was a happy-happy land of glee before the slave trade and colonies started, the issue is wether it would have been better off it they hadn't started.

                -Drachasor
                No doubt things would be better off in any situation if there was more cooperation.
                ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                • #23
                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 40000 Rapes in Congo

                  Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                  As far as rape goes, yes. Americans are much more likely to be raped than Congolese.
                  Look who is doing more than their fair share of the raping.
                  ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                  ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                  • #24
                    That proves bfg9000's thesis how?
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #25
                      I disagree with bfg9000's thesis.
                      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Space05us
                        Space, I don't think that is true. Certainly I think it is true that Blacks in America are generally better off than ones in the Congo (though not necessarily all of Africa). However, acting like the slave trade didn't cause most of those problems is ridiculous.


                        iirc I hadnt said a word about the slave trade in thie thread.
                        Oops, wrong person. I changed my original post.

                        -Drachasor
                        "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                          In the same vein, if I were Jewish, I would thank God for the Holocaust, and the six million of my co-religionists were brutally slaughtered by the Nazis, because at least we got Israel out of it.

                          Not the same thing. The Holocaust was about one madman trying to exterminate an entire race of people. Isreal was created because of the Holocaust, but the creation of Isreal really has done nothing to change the lifestyle, prospects, or security of Jews around the world. If I was Jewish and had an ancestor snuffed out by the Holocaust, my life is not better today for the Holocaust having happened or for Israel having been created.

                          Americans that brought Africans across the Atlantic and enslaved them, SAVED those Africans and their decendants from the Holocaust that is 21st century Africa.

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                          • #28
                            A holocaust they certainly helped to cause.

                            -Drachasor
                            "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Drachasor
                              Feel free to ignore the fact that colonization of and taking slaves from Africa basically devastated all of the kingdoms and governments there, basically causing the problems we see today.

                              -Drachasor

                              It is a recurring theme in history that weak countries get exploited by stronger ones. It's immoral, it's not right, but it is a fact. It's just human nature for that to happen. If I'm an African-American looking at it from that perspective, I have to thank God my ancestors were snatched from Africa and brought to America.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 40000 Rapes in Congo

                                Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                                As far as rape goes, yes. Americans are much more likely to be raped than Congolese.
                                Unproven. The article and your stats in the other thread are apple and orange comparisons. The stats in this Congolese article speak towards crimes committed by soldiers but not of the entire population. The figures in your thread take the entirety of the US population.

                                I would speculate it much more likely to be raped by a communist solider in Dem Republic of Congo than by a soldier of any political flavor in the US.
                                "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                                “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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